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islamist extremists strike in france

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KareninsGirl · 07/01/2015 13:00

My thoughts are with the victims of the latest barbaric act by Islamic extremists.

The world needs to wake up and defend itself.

RIP those who died and prayers for those critically injured.

at French magazine office www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-30710883

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msgrinch · 09/01/2015 18:09

No its just you putting words in people's mouths and personally attacking posters.

permacult · 09/01/2015 18:09

Collectively you have managed to outdo the Daily Hate.. that is no mean feat tho not something I would have to my name.

permacult · 09/01/2015 18:11

I like it when people try to claw back some dignity after embarking on a rollercoaster of hatred against one religious group. It shows that you are not quite sociopathic.

JohnFarleysRuskin · 09/01/2015 18:12

Show me the posts.

msgrinch · 09/01/2015 18:15

What the actual hell are you on about? No one has done that. I have said the complete opposite. I posted how abohrent I found the hatred to innocent Muslims.

You need to back off now. You have no right to accuse anyone here of that. The only person with a poison tongue is sat in your mirror.

WetAugust · 09/01/2015 18:45

Hear hear MrsGrinch. Just ignore. I do.

GingerCuddleMonster · 09/01/2015 18:48

maybe she has spent too long quietly reflecting in rooms and has driven herself insane Grin.

lemonmuffin1 · 09/01/2015 18:51

permacult, your posts are revolting.

And ive no doubt you are a long time name changer. Just be brave and own your own name.

BreakWindandFire · 09/01/2015 18:54

Bit I am NOT Charlie. I don't go around hurting and insulting religious groups of people and remorselessly carry on doing it to provoke an extreme reaction.

There are a few people dead tonight because they were 'provocative' enough to be Jewish in a supermarket. What exactly could they have done to avoid causing terrorists to have an 'extreme reaction'?

SnowBells · 09/01/2015 18:58

permacult

You said one shouldn't poke fun at other people's beliefs, etc. I think it is worth to question EVERYTHING. Including religion. Sometimes, that means using humour. Hence my comment.

permacult · 09/01/2015 19:01

There are a few people dead tonight because they were 'provocative' enough to be Jewish in a supermarket. What exactly could they have done to avoid causing terrorists to have an 'extreme reaction'?

Yes, but you are completely confused about who are the terrorists and why the poor Jewish people were used by them as the victims. You see, I know that you don't get it... like so many of the others on here.

SnowBells · 09/01/2015 19:01

I also believe that if you decide to immigrate to the West, you should adopt Western culture. It was your choice to move after all. Leave the old culture behind.

msgrinch · 09/01/2015 19:06

I'm honestly done replying to that deluded poster. No sane person thinks like that.

GingerCuddleMonster · 09/01/2015 19:09

so is there some underlying conspiracy theory you are alluding to perm? if so please expand.

if you are implying that the gunmen today were not Islamic extremists, please provide evidence or a reason to why you think this.

so far 99% of the population believe the atrocities in Paris were carried out by religious extreemists.

GwenaelleLaGourmande · 09/01/2015 19:12

Such a shame this thread turned into shit..

heartisaspade · 09/01/2015 19:13

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Message withdrawn at poster's request.

JoanHickson · 09/01/2015 19:15

Stop responding then. Very sad week for Paris.

WetAugust · 09/01/2015 19:16

One of the 1% that didn't believe it was religiously motivated terrorism was Gaz, who was adamant it was all staged by Mossad to make us all hate the religion of peace.

Unfortunately Gaz hasn't posted for a few days and Perma gets upset when you mention that Perma is a newcomer

anyway, this is all distraction from the main issue.

BabyX · 09/01/2015 19:20

Half an hour ago I saw a breaking news strap on the BBC saying "2 hostages taken at jewellery store in Montpellier". It disappeared soon after and I haven't seen it on Sky. Hoax maybe?

WetAugust · 09/01/2015 19:20

By the way I've reported Perma and Sebsmummys personal abuse to me and others to MN. Not because I am offended because I am not. Not because I dont agree with free speech, because I do

But because this site is still governed by guidelines and without guidelines there is anarchy. And anarchy is what terrorists try to achieve by force.

WetAugust · 09/01/2015 19:21

the jewellery shop segue was criminality. seems it's been resolved

aermingers · 09/01/2015 19:22

I have read about Je Suis Ahmed. But that ignores the fact that Ahmed, by joining the police and thus aligning himself to the west became fair game to them. If they recognised that Ahmed was from the same background as them or even if he wasn't he was still 'Charlie' as to them instruments of Western states were fair game in just the same way as people who draw pictures are. Being Ahmed and being Charlie aren't exclusive of each other.

One of the things that struck me as hugely brave about Ahmed was the fact he didn't identify himself as a Muslim in order to save himself.

heartisaspade · 09/01/2015 19:22

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noddyholder · 09/01/2015 19:23

There are reports about Montpelier on twitter but haven't watched any tv news

AgentCooper · 09/01/2015 19:29

I really, really have no idea what solution there can be to this. The whole thing is so frightening and depressing. There are arguments all over my FB today. One friend is saying that Charlie Hebdo's Mohammed cartoons are a prime example of Western cultural imperialism- mockery of people who, in the ME at least, are often much poorer and more at risk of violence than we are. Western countries did great damage to many Muslim countries during colonialism and, despite what anyone wants to think, we're not talking about all that long ago. Algerian independence wasn't granted until the 1960s, after a horrendous war.

So what my friend is saying is that she despises the work of Charlie Hebdo for these reasons but of course abhors the actions of the killers. I spent a long time researching colonialism and no, I don't find the cartoons funny or appropriate. I've mentioned before that I'm in regular contact with Muslim students from the ME through my job and I'm sure plenty of them would find the cartoons hurtful, not so much because they're taking the piss out of Mohammed, but because they could be viewed as simply saying that Muslims are violent and stupid. A Muslim guy at work said he didn't find the cartoons offensive and I took his word for it, but I wonder how many Muslims might feel pressurised into saying that over the next wee while?

But then I also think that some major sea change has to happen. I agree that our stupid bloody government has no idea. They claim they don't want to offend Muslims, but that's no use to the next Muslim who dies in one of these attacks, like the police officer yesterday. They almost lump all Muslims in with the fanatics in doing this. Back, my friend, it's rare that I agree with you, but I think you're on to something in saying that creating as secular a society as possible, where extremism of any cloth would find it very hard to breed, is perhaps a logical step. God knows we could use it in Scotland. I am Catholic but don't want to have to choose between Catholic and C of E school for my children. I don't want any more people getting attacked for being 'fenians' or 'huns'.

A few of my colleagues knew and worked with some of those who died at Charlie. My dad met Cabu in the 90s and spoke fondly of him as a kind man. My heart is breaking for them. And equally, the thought of the kind, generous, gentle students I work with, fathers and mothers, from Saudi, Iraq, Libya, who I've spent hours with, looking at pictures of their babies and having a giggle with them while we ate food that they had made especially for me, being told told that they are suspicious or dangerous (as was LostMyBauble up thread for wearing a hijab when she doesn't even wear one.... That fills me with such sorrow.

I wish there was an easy answer.