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The white van has been transformed to a Harrods van and the England flag is now a Hammer and Sickle so Mrs Hyacinth Bouquet, Labour MP feels more at home

WetAugust ... re the Breach of Contract, you could be correct, as Contracts are binding, so what is the TTIP fuss if a government opens up a contract and companies apply????

However, look back at the two aircraft carriers, probably one too many, both too large for what we need them for, over two governments they were either delayed, reviewed to be cancelled, all sorts, but then the decision comes back - too expensive to cancel, but they would have if they could have.

The NHS IT system, a similar situation, you don't think a project that didn't do what said on the can, coming in nearly double the ££several billion original estimate, wouldn't have been dumped cost wise on the contractors more than they were, if it covered a minister ass, do you?

TTIP may widen competition, but if a contract fulfills a GOVERNMENT policy/decision/parameters, what the 'kin difference?

They are going to scrap the Climate Change Act and end the subsidisation of expensive energy sources and cut fuel costs for hardworking people.

"Lorenzo" has been a disaster.
I used to work in the NHS.
And sadly I am now a very regular "service user" and I can tell you that the IT system has gone to hell in a handcart.
"Slashing the foreign aid budget"
I think the majority of people will have issues with that policy too claig.
The lack of global aid to west Africa has cost thousands of lives to Ebola.
There are thousands of Ebola orphans now.
Part of my pride in my country is in it's willingness to provide aid to those in need.

More cuts to come from the 'Policies for People' document that Establishment parties are now going through with a toothcomb in a desperate attempt to steal what they can and stop the People's Army by wearing its purple and yellow clothes

– UKIP will abolish the Department of Energy and Climate Change and scrap green subsidies.

– UKIP will abolish the Department for Culture Media and Sport.

– UKIP will reduce Barnett Formula spending and give devolved parliaments and assemblies further tax powers to compensate.

'"Slashing the foreign aid budget"
I think the majority of people will have issues with that policy too claig.

I think you are wrong. People will vote for cuts to it. Lots of Tories MPs are against Mega-Moderniser Cameroonie and his foreign aid ring-fenced folly.

'Part of my pride in my country is in it's willingness to provide aid to those in need.'

Then vote for Cameron, Miliband or Clegg, because the People's Army is going to end the funding of the Ethiopian Spice Girls and the funding of farmers in Columbia to combat the methane from their cattle's manure which we are told is "harming the planet". All of this is coming to an end.

A common sense party has appeared and it is challenging every single establishment sacred cow and spinners are in absolute panic as they have to justify what they have done with the people's money while people can't get access to life-saving cancer drugs, midwives can't get decent pay increases, people dieds in hospitals of dehydration and fat cats earned bonuses and MPs got expenses for digging moats.

It is all over. UKIP is here to stay because they fill a void in politics, they bring back common sense.

Let's see what happens in May claig :)

We have been led by a clique who agree on practically everything. UKIP has been around for years but people didn't vote for them in large numbers and then sudden;y within the past two years, everything has changed.

The reason is that people have passed the "tipping point", they have had enough of being taken for mugs by these metropolitan elite spinners who sneer at them and their concerns, dreams, hopes, aspirations, patriotism, jobs, views, vans and flags.

The people are out of their box and they won't be put back. They want change and it cannot now be stopped.

'Let's see what happens in May claig'

My prediction is that Cameron will get most seats, just. But the next government will be a Labour/UKIP deal government and they will finish the Tories off. The election after that will be Labour vs UKIP and sadly for Labour voters, UKIP will win that.

Claigy ... re your answer to 'How are they going to pay for these "common sense" policies?' - which were estimate to increase our budget deficit by £19 billion.

Ha ha ha .... UKIP pretending they represent the whole country has to now drop all their pro right wing policies for a-party-who-knows-they-will-never-be-in-power and needing to throw dark blue (and still moving) meat to their post 2010 voter base.

But clearly that was why Farage disowned his 2010 manifesto - how can you change policies each week depending where speaking, if this sucker is in writing on a website?
news.sky.com/story/1200525/nigel-farage-disowns-ukip-manifesto-as-drivel

Cutting how entire Foreign Aid budget is stupid, not very nice or international agreements, no matter what the CURRENT UKIP bigots think, if nothing else Farage will have Bob Geldof after his "bollocks" and won't appeal to the 'touchy feelie' voter.

HS2 - for the twentieth time, to a UKIP who hate the thought of growth in the north, the first stage over 15 years is what, £20 billion, do the math on how much that saves per year now, and cost in future growth later. What is UKIPs estimate for the growth our population and freight needs in 20-years time????

Government Cuts - all being done over the fast 4-years, look for the figures (not Mr Pickles girth) the outgoing ex BP man advisor saved £14 bil by better management in government last year alone - so trying to out-Conservative the Conservative on cutting waste, is like sucking eggs.

Wind farms etc - subs have already been changed I think you'll find after growth seen.

IN OTHER WORDS, IN THE REAL WORLD, UKIP HAVE NOTHING.

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Ukip are very slow at publishing their actual policies rather than a generalised set of statements. Do you think we will see them before the general election? I have copies of their previous documents which were carefully removed from the Internet if anyone wants them.

UKIP is moving to the left. Farage says he is in politics for change, he is a radical.

Has anyone got a link to Mark Reckless's full speech last night about the "radical tradition in British politics"? It was brilliant. That is where UKIP is heading because UKIP is listening to, not mocking and sneering at the people with their white vans and their flags and their hardworking work ethic.

UKIP is changing and it will displace Labour, because UKIP is for the people and Labour is for the metropolitan elite which is why so much panic was caused by Emily Thornberry's tweet.

'if nothing else Farage will have Bob Geldof after his "bollocks" and won't appeal to the 'touchy feelie' voter.'

Bring it on. All those days are over. The days of luvvies "love bombing" Scotland are over. UKIP is not "touchie-feelie" that is Miliband and Cameron and above all Cleggy, UKIP is "common sense".

Claig ... "people have had enough" of the fundamental problems of the country, that many citizens currently on the streets in Europe would LOVE e.g. UK unemployment half theirs.

If you asked those people in Europe would they vote at home for a Conservative Party DELIVERING, rather than vote for the failed Conservatives in UKIP, sprinkling EU/immigration false expectations and economic purple fairy dust - they would not be voting for Farage.

But now UKIP have run out of their sitting Conservative MP stock it will be;

Locally; Vote UKIP Farage, get a UKIP...????

Nationally Vote UKIP Farage, get a Miliband led socialist coalition.

How can ukip be simultaneously be moving to the left and be radical?

I would be very interested to read those documents OYBK! :)
Claig...you are starting to babble....

'"people have had enough" of the fundamental problems of the country'

No, if that were the case then they would do what they always had to do in the past, vote for TweedleDee - the Labour Party instead of teh COnservative Party.

Instead we are witnessing the end of 2 party politics in this country because the people have lost trust in it and believe that they are both run by the same metropolitan elite from the same schools and universities and that they all sneer at hardworking ordinary decent people who drive white vans and fly England flags because they are football fans. And it is those good people who pay the taxes that are wasted by this metropolitan elite class of barristers who have contempt for ordinary people.

And the really frightening thing for the metropolitan elite is that it is not just white van man who is against them, it is City dealers, London commuters, working people and the middle class. It is snowballing and it will continue because the ruling elite are not "on our side".

The Establishment parties will desperately try to change theoir policies to match UKIP, but it won't work because they have all lost the public's trust.

'How can ukip be simultaneously be moving to the left and be radical?'

Because radical is left, because radical is anti-Establishment which is for the people which is left.

Claig . re Scotland.

Is UKIP 'common sense', with the SNP likely to be the third largest party in Westminster in 2015, to allow a weak Labour leader, with a strong SNP leader, be in a coalition that decides what ENGLAND pays Scotland for the co-operation of supporting a minority Labour governments policies?

Is UKIP 'common sense' to even trust a Labour Party, having lost many of their current 41 seats in Scotland, NOT to WANT giving loads of English taxpayer goodies to those fine people in Scotland, to try and get them back by 2020?

Is it UKIP 'common sense' to ensure that Scotland continues to vote of English laws, when we do not vote on theirs?

Well as either the Conservatives or Labour will form the next 2015 government, and due to boundary lines the Conservatives need to be about 8% ahead of Labour in the polls, to have the same seats as Labour - well thanks to UKIP, all the above negative things for England PLUS no EU Referendum, will happen, with a loose Labour, SNP and Lib Dem coalition.

I think we will see a Labour/UKIP government and UKIP will provide the common sense, and together both radical parties will restore power to the people.

Wow, BBC The World At One have just interviewed a woman and a man in the street in Rochester about Emily Thornberry's tweets and they both said what is devastating for the Labour Party, that they think that Labour has an almost contempt for the working class.

The woman interviewed had it exactly right. She said something like because we don't think like them, they look down on us and in a democracy, everyone has a right to have a view.

That is the real reason that UKIP has rocketed in public support. They tried to tell us how to think with their political correctness, but people have now had enough of all of them.

Claig ... do give over on the non credible UKIP 'working class' play and pass me your political 'hubbly bubbly pipe', or better still, the sick bag.

UKIP need to let labour do their own damage on that, as a word or two to the unwise, when a UKIP who in 2010 wanted to put the start rate of income tax at 31% (as a Flat Income Tax & NI rate), I think we all really know WHICH end of the social spectrum the UKIP one to three millionaires and ex city party leader that FORMULATE such policies, REALLY stand.

Opposing everything the other parties say for cheap votes, may make UKIP LOOK pro working class, but due to your 'pedigree', past policies and damage you'll do in 2015 massively increasing UK political, economic, and financial risks that will cost them jobs - Farage will do more damage than good.

UKIP's policies have changed, but it doesn't matter what lies or smears are said about UKIP's policies, because the people are not looking at policy detail, they are voting on emotion.

They have an antipathy to a metropolitan elite who sneer at them, their vans, flags and their views. They are fed up of being patronised, "love bombed" by "touchhie-feelie" luvvies, ignored and treated with contempt. That is why they are voting UKIP, because UKIP is "on our side" and none of the rest are.

The main parties have 6 months to try and win us back. Can they do it? The Professor said on BBC The World at One just now, that the odds of them being able to do that are diminishing by the day.

Ukip are not appealing to the 'ordinary' man in the street. It is appealing to a section of ordinary men (and women) as long as they live in the south. Their policy on HS2 proves this. They don't actually want to regenerate the industrial northern cities of Manchester and Leeds. They are only concerned with making sure Barry the builder from Essex or Kent doesn't have too much competition from well qualified, hard working Polish builders or that Barry's kids don't have to complete with the Polish immigrant kids for Kent or Essex grammar school places.

NancyJones, Paul Nuttall is from Liverpool, he is Deputy Leader. He is excellent. UKIP nearly beat Labour in Heywood and Middleton.

You are right that former Tories in Essex and Kent like UKIP, but the Tory Party is dying and UKIP will eventually finish them. They are mainly elderly and their membership has halved under Cameron. Soon people will think they are not worth fighting for and their activists will defect to UKIP.

But UKIP is a real danger in the coming years to Labour, because the divide between Labour's core vote and its metropliutan elite leadershipo is huge as John Mann and Simon Danczuk keep trying to say and as this Emily Thornberry tweet has exposed, and the Labour working class voters up North will begin to see UKIP as a better defender of their views than Miliband and the Oxbridge gang of PPEs.

I didn't know UKIP were opposing the bedroom tax.