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The white van has been transformed to a Harrods van and the England flag is now a Hammer and Sickle so Mrs Hyacinth Bouquet, Labour MP feels more at home

Yes, I feel sorry for her.

When I first saw her on TV on Question Time, I thought she was arrogant and bad news for Labour. But as I have watched her more on the Daily Politics etc, I like her. She is combative and is a fighter and uses humour (which sometimes appears arrogant).

I think this was a joke gone wrong. She judged it badly. I feel sorry for her.

But I hope she comes back soon because even though she seems like a London luvvie to me, she is capable.

I don't feel sorry for her, sneering at the people who voted her into power. She got what she deserved. I expect her political career us over now so she'll need to find something else to amuse herself, but with a 484? majority it's probably game over at the GE anyway

Alan Johnson - the last man in England who has not seen that picture

Claig. Thanks for the explanation. so Labour has been infiltrated And thereby rendered harmless? Who is controlling this?

The Establishment. They will try the same with UKIP. They will try to change UKIP and make it politically correct just like all the rest so that UKIP won't dare challenge the Establishment. That is why Nigel Farage is so important, because he can single-handedly defeat them.

Carswell frankly is useless and so is Reckless.
The etablishment media has been building up Carswell as "the decent guy" as someone who struggles and disagrees with some of UKIP's policies. The establishment hopes that someone in UKIP will emerge to challenge Farage. The Establishment knows that without Farage, UKIP will not be as effective and they want it to be politically correct so that the people will give up all hope and either stop voting (as Establishment luvvie Russell Brand urges) or that they will go back to being fooled by TweedleDum and TweedleDee (Labour and the Conservatives).

It is going to be one hell of a ride and Farage is the person who can take them on and beat them.

Why on earth did she do it?

And claigy baby, are you snuggled on the sofa with your feet up and a little tipple awaiting the glorious victory?

No, not a little tipple, two large bottles

Turnout was 50.6%.
Not bad for a byelection.

Having your only two MPs as former Tory 'establishment' is hardly the anti-establishment vote. It's a vote for the same, the status quo, not a radically different policy - largely because UKIP aren't in a real position (yet, anyway) to impact policy making.

Farage is no man of the people, he's the same as the rest of them and I am sure if he was offered a Tory safe seat he'd take it. Anyone who thinks he's on a mission guided by anything but his ego is misguided.

'It's a vote for the same, the status quo, not a radically different policy - largely because UKIP aren't in a real position (yet, anyway) to impact policy making. '

No, the people aren't voting for Reckless because he is a brilliant guy and they all like him. He is as boring and bland as a blancmange unfortunately. The people are voting for Reckless because he is UKIP, and that is all. UKIP is not the status quo, it is the party that opposes the Establishment on the EU, global warming, immigration and political correctness. The Establishment are panicking because if the UKIP insurgency spreads then Farage will topple the whole lot of them.

Lady. You are very wrong. no wY would Nigel join the Tories again. If you believe that you completely fail to understand what UKIP is all about

Claig. I'm glad you said that reckless and Carswell are useless. I agree. very 3rd rate. I could imagine Suzanne Evans as leader. I could imagine her as PM.

Farage believes 100% in leaving the EU and the Tories don't because the top ones are not allowed to. Farage is also not politically correct so he could never join the Tories.

Suzanne Evans is good, but I wouldn't want her to be leader because in British politics there is tremendous pressure to force anyone in a high position to be politically correct in order to stop them being a real challenge and I fear that under tremendous media pressure etc that Suzanne might buckle. Farage won't buckle, that is why he is so good. I also like Paul Nuttall, he is very good.

An influential novelist who was and is mates with some of the Labour bigwigs wrote a novel some years back called Ghost. It is a novel, so not real.

"Tony Blair as CIA agent
...
Harris's ghostwriter is the second writer on the scene, the first having died in mysterious circumstances. As he begins to follow the trail cleared by the dead man, the ghost begins to uncover a conspiracy that suggests the prime minister is a CIA agent, parachuted into a safe seat and groomed for the leadership of the Labour Party.

This, as Lang's former foreign secretary says, would explain why Lang never took a decision that was not designed to boost the United States. The ex-foreign secretary has moved to the United Nations and succeeded in having Lang indicted on war crime charges. The Gulfstream Four that so excites Lang has previously been used to render Pakistanis to appointments with their torturers."

www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/books/fictionreviews/3668365/Tony-Blair-as-CIA-agent.html

I enjoyed Ghost. I can see the characterisation you mentioned. Suzanne is good. I'd have her as leader

I thought it would be a bigger majority ...

I'm stunned. Just had to wake dh to tell him. The Tories are clearly so unpopular that UKIP are the preferred choice. Idiotic tweet though.

"I thought it would be a bigger majority ..."

The combined UKIP/Tory vote was 77%

UKIP alone 42%

I like the quote on the WAU FB page about "Voting for 'change' in Rochester by electing the SAME man with 7000 LESS votes"

'I thought it would be a bigger majority ...'

I think that may be due to tactical voting against UKIP where people who really didn't like UKIP decided to vote Conservative to try and stop UKIP. Come the general election, they will probably switch back to Labour and the Monster Raving Loony Party.

Mark Reckless made an excellent speech about the radical tradition in Britain and how UKIP was in that tradition and would give power back to the people and take it away from the elite. It was a much better speech than Carswell's one and Reckless looked like he meant it.

Reckless is a very clever man - an Oxford PPE - but he is a bit bland, but that doesn't matter because he is a radical with his heart in the right place. He is UKIP through and through.

The People's Army has camped up and paused its advance over the former Tory heartlands of Essex and Kent, where the citizens, townsfolk and villagers will replenish the People's Army with victuals and voluminous quantities of alcohol as they are camped up in their towns.

New recruits are lining up to join the People's Army. Everyone awaits Farage's next rabbit out of the hat and next defector. The word on the street is that Farage is more cunning than Wellington, Nelson and Napoleon combined. There is panic in Westminster.

Who is the establishment you keep referring to?

Claig, I'm essex born and bred and I can tell you that if Farage or any of your "Peoples Army" turned up here it wouldn't be alcohol they would be getting. More like a swift kick up their arses.

pinoli, the People's Army will win you over in the end. They won me over.

'Who is the establishment you keep referring to?'

No one knows exactly who they are. All we see is their puppets.

Claig you sound utterly barking.

"Cabinet Secretary Sir Jeremy Heywood has David Cameron ‘by the balls’, with the Prime Minister having to ask his permission before doing anything, according to a former Tory adviser.

Dominic Cummings, Michael Gove’s key aide when he was Education Secretary, claimed that Mr Cameron is surrounded by a chaotic team and ‘cannot manage his way out of a paper bag’.

In a scathing attack, Mr Cummings said: ‘Everyone knows that Jeremy Heywood is in charge of everything.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2843259/Sir-Cover-got-PM-b-civil-servant-runs-says-Gove-s-ex-aide.html

If UKIP succeed, everything will change.

Claig..you sound utterly unhinged :(
Ukip means a privatised NHS.
Fuck knows what will happen to education...do they even have any policies?
"Send em all back" as per reckless will mean the collapse of the NHS - which relies on cheap immigrant labour.
To try and paint NF as a man of the people is simply untrue...he was privately educated fgs!
He is one the "elite" and is a very dangerous man.
I am horrified by this result.