Conservative Carswell defects to UKIP 2

[claig]

"Patrick O's face was an absolute picture as he tried to puzzle out WTF that bloke in the audience was on about"

Yes, typical BBC to go to a questioner by name who said that UKIP policies were "madness" on the first question of the programme after just one panellist had answered.

You have to admire them for keeping on trying but the won't succeed. The people know the game.

[claig]

This is fantastic. It is a typical staged setup against UKIP with the panel and the audience all having a go at UKIP. It will backfire on the PPEs and planners because the people will have sympathy for the underdog - UKIP.

And of course the voters will have voted for UKIP anyway

[bookcaseface]

Eh?

[WetAugust]

oops. I was still posting on the old thread Claig

Just saying that I feel like withholding my licence fee from now on. BBC really disgusts me.

Eric Pickles. What a joke.

[claig]

Yes, it is disgusting and I know how you feel. We are the majority but we know they have always ignored us. But don't be discouraged, the people know what goes on, UKIP will only grow bigger the more they try to keep us down.

[WetAugust]

For a former political journo OFlynn is really poor at making a compelling case statement on anything.

Bloody hell this audience is totally stuffed! The Beeb must think we are stupid if we believe this is representative

[smellycandles]

You are NOT a majority which is why you currently have zero MPs and few councillors.

Most people think UKIP are nobbers -- so the audience is representative

[WetAugust]

It's just as bad on Newsnight! We've got ISIS on the Turkish border, Ebola outbreaks all over the place, 2 by elections and Newsnight are interviewing some author about a story he's written about dentists. FFS! I despair. if wouldn't have happened in Paxo's day.

[WetAugust]

Smelly

the programme is coming from CLACTON

UKIP is in the majority in CLACTON

the programmes audience is not representative of the voters of CLACTON

It's not that difficult you know

[claig]

Yes, I'm not a big fan of O'Flynn, but he has got to keep learning.

Yes the audience is stuffed, but plus ca change, they always do that, it's part of their spin to try and fool the people.

But it won't work. UKIP's success shocked them in the EU elections after the press had thrown everything at UKIP, and the Tories "will throw everything" at UKIP in Rochester, but they will still lose.

People protested against the BBC in Scotland. Spin doesn't work, the people know the game.

[smellycandles]

WetAugust - the electorate voted Tory 4.5 years ago.

Let's also bear in mind the majority of people don't usually vote although the turn out could be 50%...

[WetAugust]

I agree Smelly that a lot of people don't vote but I would be very surprised if someone who couldn't be bothered to vote at all felt motivated enough to get themselves an invite to the Question Time audience. you see the program is all about politics.

Hey hi. I shall suspend my belief and tell myself that the BBC is fair and unbiased.

[Isitmebut]

Any word on the Ukip “earthquake” in the Heywood and Middleton by-election yet, where Ukip used their own ‘talent’ as clearly could not buy the incumbent ‘Westminster elite’ MP, with promises of Deputy Leadership to Farage?

Labour obviously had a new Candidate rushed in there, as the Conservatives did in Clacton, so surely looking at the stats, where in previous by-elections Ukip is always the bridesmaid and not the bride, in a true political by-election earthquake they have to come first, right?

For a start and unlike Clacton, a Ukip candidate stood in 2010 so has been ‘working’ the constituency for years, and so did the BNP who polled more votes, so just picking up their votes should mean Ukip has increased their vote by at least 200%.

By-elections are for ‘protest votes’, the Lib Dems that used to pick up by-election seats as the recipient of those votes in now in government, so if Ukip CAN’T win Heywood with their own candidate and deficit increasing tax giveaway policies within a by-election, where is the earthquake??

[WetAugust]

you sound like a sore loser Isitmebut

[smellycandles]

36% turnout in Haywood and Middleton...

Perhaps those who want to go on BBC QT just aren't UKIP voters? UKIP have said themselves they struggle to appeal to the educated and cultured. Perhaps that includes the QT audience?

[smellycandles]

Have you also seen that UKIP have have been on QT 26 times since the general election?

More than the greens, sinn fein, the dup and plaid Cymru combined despite them having 17 MPs between them?

Thought it was an interesting stat.

[claig]

'Thought it was an interesting stat.'

Because they won the EU elections and have more popular support than those parties. They are also a greater threat to the political class as their success threatens an earthquake in British politics.

[claig]

Don't take our outmoded first past the post electoral system as being representative of the people's will.

[smellycandles]

The clacton result will be based on FPTP - are you saying it's not going to be representative of the electorate's will?

[Isitmebut]

The Conservatives rarely win by-elections, until Newark a few months ago that is, and the only difference in Clacton and Rochester now, which is pretty fundamental, is UKIP HAVE BOUGHT SITTING CONSERVATIVE MP’s – when Ukip win a Westminster seat from a campaigning Ukip candidate, not feel the need to poach votes from sitting MP’s who have relationships with constituency voters, you may deserve a victory lap.

Stuart Wheeler your main backer and Treasurer owns a FTSE betting company, and looking at the General Election results of 2010, realised a Ukip candidate standing in Clacton would SPLIT the centre right votes, this is not rocket science – so in true corporate, betting, money man style, he decided to FIX the odds, by ‘taking out’ the sitting Conservative MP, knowing it would take until the General Election for his replacement to get to know the constituency.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stuart_Wheeler


In numbers, the Clacton 2010 General Election, here were the approximate results, with Labour having totally screwed up, so can be expected to poll higher 4-years later and would BENEFIT FROM A SPLIT CONSERVATIVE/VOTE.
Conservatives 21,000
Labour 11,000
Lib Dem 6,000
Ukip – did not stand.

Wheeler realised with Ukip keep coming second and a general election looming, they needed an edge - as Ukip as a party are an annual policy joke, and their candidates don’t seem to have the (in football parlance) ‘quality’ - so they peed from a great height on Ukip’s Roger Lord who had campaigned for them for nearly 20-years – how ‘corporate’.
www.maldonandburnhamstandard.co.uk/news/countywide/11449211.Ousted_Ukip_candidate_Roger_Lord_to_quit_politics/?ref=var_0

If Clacton where a sitting Conservative MP is so overtly offered a Ukip Deputy Leadership by FTSE money men desperate to win Westminster seats is an example of UKip’s ‘change’ in politics, then god help us.

I ‘bet’ Mr Wheeler buys the champagne tonight, he’s bought their first (or is it 2nd) Westminster MP and most of Clacton.

Was Ukip’s previous MP Bob Spink, a Tory defector who switched to Ukip in 2008 but lost his seat in 2010 - hows that for an omen in 2015 when the electorate has to decide whether the Conservatives or a Labour Party needing just 31% of the vote, forms the next government?

Mr Spink never stood for election as a Ukip candidate, why was that, was his eyes opened to the lack of talent within, or didn’t Mr Wheeler offer him power within Ukip?

[claig]

Clacton will be representative of the people's vote bwcause it will be close to a landslide whatever the invited BBC audience on Question Time thought about it.

But UKIP was number 1 in the EU elections. It was 29% in Essex in local elections. Once UKIP dismantles the first past the post system, UKIP will form the government since that will be representaive of the people's will.

[smellycandles]

Just heard that Labour have taken a council seat from UKIP in Sussex tonight.

Claig - I get the feeling with you that if UKIP lose anything it's Because Of The System/BBC Bias etc,

But if they win it's because they're dead good, right?

[WetAugust]

I am very well educated and also cultured so obviously am bucking the UKIP trend

I don't get your point about FPTP and it's relevance to the makeup of the QT audience Smelly. FPTP, in about 2 hours time, in Clacton, will be UKIP. they will also run L about very close in Heywood according to Sky news latest.

Just realised that Heywood was once Callaghan's seat, so absolutely no hope of Labour losing it

[smellycandles]

It was Claig saying FPTP was useless WetAugust, not me

[claig]

"Claig - I get the feeling with you that if UKIP lose anything it's Because Of The System/BBC Bias etc,"

No, I have said that the system and the BBC cannot stop UKIP because it is the majority popular will. The only thing that is stopping UKIP is the FPTP system, but the system won't be able to maintain that. UKIP will dismantle it, and then UKIP will be in charge.

[Isitmebut]

Ukip has 24 MEP’s in Brussels on £78k, office expenses and get £3,500 personal expenses a month whether claimed or not, ALL DUE to their misrepresentation to the UK electorate that Ukip could bring the UK out of the EU.

Now focusing on Westminster and ensuring that the pro EU Labour Party will win in 2015 and due to electoral boundaries stay in power for a decade at least, the United Kingdom Independence Party is betraying ‘what it says on the can’ to all the millions that voted for them for the past 10-20-years.

Once those voters wake up and realises Ukip’s ‘Brussels overpaid elite’ just lies for votes in any election, they’ll wake up by the next General Election, as they did in 2010.