Tory MP Mark Reckless defects to UKIP

[claig]

Panic in elite circles

Never mind Che Guevara tee-shirts, young people from Shanghai to Seattle will be wearing tee-shirts with a picture of Farage grinning like a Cheshire cat with a pint and fag in his hand. That is the real revolution. Farage will put Britain on the map. Exports of his picture alone will wipe out the deficit. Britain will be the land of milk and honey, and I'm not being funny.

Do you realise what impact Farage will have on British beer exports? Everybody across the world is going to want the real thing - what Farage drinks. They won't accept second best. They will all want what he's having.

Claig ….. may we apply your terminology of other political parties, to UKIP for some balance?

UKIP clearly replace ‘luvvies’ with ‘dummies’, as either the powers within UKIP without the benefits of ‘PPEs’ or an ‘Eaton’ education cannot formulate at any General Election a joined-up-thinking plan on the economy with our annual budget deficit over spending, the lack of housing, how to create jobs, or protect the NHS with all the pressures on it – or UKIP have to “modernize” their whole UK domestic polies platform, at EVERY General Election.

It is one thing for a UKIP Party leader of your cult to DISOWN every policy as leader he signed off on;

*“UKIP leader Nigel Farage has disowned the party's entire (2010) general election manifesto - which he helped launch - branding it "drivel”.
news.sky.com/story/1200525/nigel-farage-disowns-ukip-manifesto-as-drivel

It is another thing to try and wipe that UKIP policy “modernizing”, and previous inflammatory immigration speeches, right off the face of this Earth.

“UKIP spokesman Michael Heaver confirmed that the party’s 2010 election manifesto had been removed. While the party now opposes the planned high-speed north-south rail line, the 2010 document advocated building three new routes. “We’re in the process of updating everything,” Heaver said by telephone. “We’re going through a policy review.”
www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-11-15/u-k-parties-prepare-for-2015-by-erasing-web-histories.html

“Both these are outdone by the U.K. Independence Party, which has no record of any speeches made before March this year. The earliest news item is leader Nigel Farage’s New Year 2013 message."

'UKIP leader Nigel Farage has disowned the party's entire (2010) general election manifesto - which he helped launch - branding it "drivel”'

He was being polite when he called it drivel - it was written by a former Tory who has now been welcomed back with open arms by the modernisers to the Tory Party.

Pathetic, 'he' was a UKIP politician at the time, writing a UKIP 2010 General Election Manifesto for Farage, who had to sign off on what UKIP domestically stands for, away from EU/immigration.

On the last page, there are so many examples of Farage heralding new recruits, especially from the Conservatives, but if they leave and/or did a job in UKIP/Farage's name, they are to blame not UKIP/Farage - so 'the peoples party' can trample over who they want with no accountability.

That sounds more 'Westminster' than those already there.

"Ukip The Movie: Channel 4 to air spoof of what happens if they win the election, but who will play Prime Minister Farage?
Mock documentary will examine impact of Ukip winning the election"

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2814033/100-days-Ukip-government-Channel-4-air-spoof-movie-election-play-Prime-Minister-Farage.html

Desperation? Panic? Metropolitan elite? Luvvies losing?

UKIP's vote will only increase after it is aired.

Oh dear Claig, you are soooo naïve, I think you should start writing your ‘UKIP stitch up’ post NOW - as you wouldn't like the truth..

With a UKIP government, here would be UK chaos having a political party made up of political rejects, who’s shoe soles last longer than any UK policy, with not one day of government experience between them, thrashing around – with Farage having 'tried to herd thick sheep', down the pub trying to drink his problems away.

Companies would cut investments/jobs with the international ones trying to work out if need to leave the UK, our interest rates funding our deficits/National Debt will rocket, the North-South divide would widen, the UK devolution matter kicked into the long grass as no agreement, god knows what will happen with the EU if try to leave without a Referendum – and to control immigration, our borders shut and more containment centres built.

And that is just the start.

If you read the following article, from one of the Conservative's top thinkers, often invited on TV for his views, Tim Montgomerie, you can see why the Conservative Party is over. Tim tries to resuscitate it, but he doesn't get it. He tries to be all things to all people - a broad church - full of modernisers, spinners, luvvies and Thatcherite Tories. It doesn't work, it's like chalk and cheese, like Cameron and people's champion, Farage. Tim fundamentally misunderstands the people and what successful conservatism really is and was. I bet Tim reads the Times and the Telegraph but I wonder if he reads the people's paper - the Daily Mail.

"It [1992] was the last year in which the Conservatives won a parliamentary majority. And perhaps the last year they ever will. 22 years ago. The party that was the most successful of its kind in the 20th century has ceased to be successful."
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One year into this extraordinary experiment [modernisation] in centre right politics, I met the greatest living conservative leader – John Howard – at his prime ministerial offices in Sydney. Although it was 2006, I can still vividly remember the fear he shared with me. If David Cameron carries on like this, he said, ignoring traditional Tory concerns, he’ll split the Conservative Party in two. You don’t take your wife to a dance, he said, and then dance with other women all night. Not if you want your marriage to survive.

And, of course, Howard was right. The Conservative Party is now split in a way that it has never been split before. Over half of the voters that the Conservative Party has lost since the last election have defected to UKIP. The MPs and councillors defecting to UKIP are nearly all Tory. Nigel Farage’s policies on tax, Europe, immigration and crime are all recognisably right-of-centre. This is, as a book has documented, a Revolt on the Right – a revolt against a leadership of the Conservative Party that took for granted the voters Mrs Thatcher wooed so assiduously.

No successful conservative leader anywhere in the world can win without what was called Essex Man by Maggie. Reagan Democrats in the USA. Timothy Horton voters by Canada’s Stephen Harper. Battlers by John Howard.
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The Tory modernisation that still needs to take place is one that challenges the biggest obstacle to people voting Conservative: that it is a party of the rich. On this the opinion polling is absolutely clear. Floating voters don’t see racism, sexism or homophobia as the reason they won’t vote Tory, as distasteful as these things are. It’s the idea that Tories would leave them alone in tough times. They want a right-wing party but they want that right-wing party to have a heart.
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And guess what? The person who has best articulated this position is my friend Matthew Parris. I think his columns on Clacton and immigration and Douglas Carswell were stinkers. But in a column from last November he wrote this:

“Futurism should lie at the heart of a 21st-century Conservative appeal.
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The Conservative Party becomes a broad church again – or, quite simply, it ceases to be the great electoral force that it once was. Forever."

conservativewoman.co.uk/tim-montgomerie-conservative-party-becomes-broad-coalition-dies/

It is wrong. You can't please all the people all the time and you can't fool all the people all the time. The truth is that the public doesn't care if the party has "a heart". They called Thatcher nasty, and every TV soap director, TV luvvie, pop star, right-on comedian in alternative comedy as it was then called and Billy Bragg and etc etc were against Thatcher and said she had "no heart" and yet the public still voted her in again and again in places full of the aspiring working and middle class such as Essex. Why? Because she was on our side and was helping us and was a true Conservative - not a moderniser.

If teh Conservatives had Farage as a leader and followed his policies, they would sweep Labour out all over the place. But they haven't got Farage, they've got a moderniser and that is why they won't make it - why they will lose even Rochester - UKIP's 271st most winnable seat.

And Tim Montgomerie is not even as aware of what is happening as that former Labour luvvie - Matthew Taylor - who was on Newsnight teh other night. Montgomerie says

"Look after the country, its economy and its security, and the opinion polls will take care of themselves."

No they won't, because as Matthew Taylor rightly said we are now in new political ground and everything they used to think is no longer sound.

“Futurism should lie at the heart of a 21st-century Conservative appeal."

What a croc. You just knew it would come from a luvvie like Matthew Parris. What spin, what nonsense. It sounds like super modernisation, modern modernisation, modernisation on steroids. Only someone so out of touch that they would feel at home on Mars could come up with some 1950s sci-fi concept like that. Get real, meet some real people, go to Clacton, see what it is really all about.

And for anybody who is interested in the future of the Conservatives, read the comments after Tim's article on Conservative Woman and you will see that they all think what he wrote is wrong and that most of them are with UKIP and think the Tories are finished and that UKIP is the wrecking ball that will finish them off.

13 years we waited for the Tories to come back. I even stayed up all night on election night and prayed that the Scottish people wouldn't vote Labour in and destroy all our hopes down here. And then they scraped in by a thread and we breathed a sigh of relief. Now, finally, a bit of common sense, and end to political correctness at last. Freedom, hope, no more lecturing, no more hectoring, they'd get off our backs and leave us alone and cut our taxes and get out of our faces.

But alas, the insults came one after the other as the Etonians spat in our faces and tore up every conservative principle and value we held dear, and then we finally all passed the "tipping point", we couldn't take any more of this, we joined the "fruitcakes" and we have never looked back.

Good summary Claig

Looks like a Labour wipeout in Scotland so Ed will not get in. Tory / SNP pact. I cannot imagine it at all. Neither can I imagine a Lab / SNP pact.

This is the weirdest run up to an election ever.

you can feel the contempt that those posters at the bottom of Tims article feel

I reached that point a long time ago

Yes, it is going to be a fascinating election because our politics has already changed forever, there is no turning back to the Establishment LibLabCon, it's all over.

Yes, there is pure contempt for the Tories by former lifelong Tory voters.

Did you see the UKIP discussion on Great Yarmouth, Boston and Grimsby on Channel 4 News? They sent Paul Mason down there, ex BBC Newsnight. Doesn't really get it, comes out with the usual "old Britain, left behind" not part of the future stuff. The reality is there is no future in many places because there are just low-paying jobs and too many people chasing too few jobs and the people in those areas have been abandoned by the metropolitan elite who have let large parts of the country rot because they felt that they were not part of the future.

Have you seen that the Channel 4 metropolitan elite are going to show a spoof TV programme about Farage being Prime Minister and what would happen under a UKIP government etc?

I bet it will probably be a bit of a spin job to try and have a go at UKIP and stop the people, but nothing works, people are just flocking to UKIP.

I have just seen that Tim Montgomerie writes for the Times - the same paper that Matthew Parris writes for. Says it all really. And those are the people that the Conservative Party listen to and get to advise them.

The Conservatives deserve everything they get because they ignored and insulted their core vote. We can't look back, get sentimental and remember good old days, we have to look at what is best for the future, we have to cut them adrift just like they did to us.

As a comment on Conservative Woman from a lifelong Tory supporter says

"If the Conservative party does not ditch Cameron and Osborne asap then they deserve their descent into oblivion. These men simply are not conservatives, they are tax and spend social democrats.
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I no longer have any sympathy with that party if it collapses entirely"

The metropolitan elite are rubbing their hands in glee at the prospect of what the luvvies might come up with in "100 Days of Ukip" (Ukip - The Movie).

The Telegraph is already having a laugh about it.

The metropolitan elite dream that it will all go wrong and fail. Dream on.

"With a sigh, Prime Minister Nigel Farage set down his breakfast pint of claret and turned on the radio. There had once been a time, he reflected glumly, when he enjoyed listeners’ phone-ins. Not any more.
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The first call came from Keith, a van driver from Essex. “Morning, Nick,” the caller grunted to the phone-in host. “Just wanted to say how sick I am of this Ukip government. They’re all the same, these Ukip politicians. It’s about time we kicked out the Ukip establishment and caused a political earthquake. Give the LibLabCon a go.”

Wearily Mr Farage puffed out his cheeks. A hundred days into his premiership, he’d long grown used to hearing the same, clichéd anti-Ukip taunts again and again. Especially in the comments under articles on news websites. “The provincial illiberal elite”, that was one. “It’s political incorrectness gone mad”, that was another. Why couldn’t these people at least think up some original insults?
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It wasn’t as if he’d [Farage] even wanted to be Prime Minister. It had come about pretty much by accident, when all 303 Tory MPs, including David Cameron, defected to Ukip because they were worried about losing their seats."

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ukip/11198668/Ukip-the-Movie-What-WOULD-life-be-like-under-Prime-Minister-Nigel-Farage.html

I'm not bothered about The Movie Claig

people can easily see through that shite.

spitting Image didn't do the Iron Lady any harm

anyway, it'll either be libellous, in which case they will be sued or the producers will be so out of touch that the ordinary man in the street will think it's a documentary

One thing about the British is that they expect fair play zany when things are underhand (e.g. As in the EU) it makes them very angry.

I just wonder what sort of upbringing people have had who insist on smearing, vilifying and lying to other people for political gain.

The satire of old was cruel and mocking but never smeared.

Public school or labour bog standard comp?

Makes me wonder

having read the Tekegraph article I'm pretty dismayed that that paper pull stoop to such a pathetic article - I cannot grace that crap with the description 'journalism'

Thank goodness I cancelled my Telegraph subscription last year. I expect many more will be cancelled in the morning.

Looking further down, the paper is reporting The Thoughts of Tony Bleurghh - again

when did the Telegraph become the mouthpiece for failed Labour politicians.

I pity you Tories. You will never get us back. Why would we ever want to rejoin a party of smearing threatening liars. and as your numbers drop dead you will wither away as a party - good riddance

A senior member of Margaret Thatcher's cabinet has revealed he voted for Ukip at the last European elections.
'One thing about the British is that they expect fair play zany when things are underhand (e.g. As in the EU) it makes them very angry.'

Yes as some comments on the Daily Mail say "bring ot on, UKIP will get even more votes".

Even Sir John Nott voted for UKIP in the EU elections and admires Farage for "singlehandedly he’s threatening the oldest political party in the country".

"Sir John Nott, the former Conservative MP who served as defence secretary during the 1982 Falklands War, told The Huffington Post on Tuesday he voted for Nigel Farage's eurosceptic party in May.

The lifelong Tory was MP for St Ives from 1966 until June 1983. He divides his time between West London and the South West of England. His son-in-law is Hugo Swire, the Conservative Foreign Office minister.

According to one senior Ukip source, Sir John, now 82, dropped into the party's Rochester by-election headquarters on Friday, but insisted he was not about to join the party, telling activists: "I'm not defecting. I'm not defecting."

Another party source in Rochester said Sir John "looked around and took a few leaflets" and spent ten minutes in the HQ's "backroom" with party officials. The source added: "He told us he voted Ukip in the Euro elections."

Asked whether it was true Sir John, who also served as trade secretary under Thatcher, told HuffPost from his Chelsea home: "Yes, I did."

Sir John said he had voted Ukip in the European elections but would not be doing so at the general election.

Earlier this year he told the Daily Mail that he admired Farage's achievements. "Singlehandedly he’s threatening the oldest political party in the country," he said. "Though I don’t like their immigration policy. The Poles have saved this country. If you want a plumber, you have to find a Pole. And you can’t go anywhere in London without being served by a lovely Polish girl.

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/10/29/ukip-sir-john-nott-rochester-by-election_n_6067692.html

'when did the Telegraph become the mouthpiece for failed Labour politicians.'

A long time ago. It is one of the metropolitan elite's papers - not real conservative. Lots of progressives like Dan Hodges and other journalists.

I suspect that a. Retain former Chancellor may also be a Kipper

He certainly our views on Eu

Yes, absolutely

What UKIP needs is publicise the views of well known and respected people who believe that Britain could function perfectly well outside the EU.

Yes, maybe at the moment there aren't that many of them who want to break cover, but after UKIP win Rochester and shake the Tories as if they were in a tumble drier on turbo, there may be a flood of famous people breaking cover and joining the people.

New Stateman article on why we are moving towards the EU exit seems to imply that an EU referendum is not below the red line in any future coalition negotiations - does that mean he would forgo it! after he's promised time and time to hold one and wouldn't form a coalition that didn't agree to it?

Not a man to play Twister with Stick to Cluedo