Oscar Pistorius Trial part 9

[JillJ72]

Starting a new thread as part 8 is nearly full, here - www.mumsnet.com/Talk/in_the_news/2080468-Oscar-Pistorius-Trial-Part-8

Thank you Jill. Gutted that I'm out today and won't be able to keep tabs on it.

Thanks for the link to that article Norma, to be honest, I had the same thoughts when Masipa ruled not guilty of murder dolus eventualis. Nel should appeal.

It's funny how everyone on the threads said how brilliant the judge was and how they'd respect her decision and now actually, she's wrong.

Thanks Jill

Thanks just place marking.

Has session started, does anyone know? Can't remember if we are 1 or 2 hours behind SA.

Oh my.......they just said if he gets convicted of culpable homicide he may get a fine! A clucking fine......for killing a beautiful young woman. What a sick joke.

We're an hour behind, Jill.

Norma - could you repost that link as clicking on it brings me to a broken page.

Am I right in thinking session will start 9am GMT? I'm supposed to be revising, but trying to keep track of whats happening.

There was discussion on the 'could he have foreseen' question on the other thread.

From what I understand it, it's about intent. Should he have foreseen that death would have occurred but acted anyway, that's Culpable Homicide. If he went in intending to kill whomever until they were dead, that's Dolus Eventualis.

I think. I'm neither South African nor a lawyer.

I remain set that the Judge is intending to prosecute for the only thing that could be PROVEN to be the case. We can't prove he intended to kill, so that would be thrown out on appeal. We can't prove that he knew it was Reeva, so that would be thrown out on appeal too.

I think it's better that he's given a prosecution that will stick than one that will be thrown out on a technicality at appeal.

Though I remain upset that human life is valued so little by the law.

Place marking

It's funny how everyone on the threads said how brilliant the judge was and how they'd respect her decision and now actually, she's wrong.

I don't think EVERYBODY has said that at all, Nerf. And many of those who have don't appear to have posted on these threads before.

I said I'd stand by her decision and I do stand by her decision so if you could take me out of the 'everybody', I'd be grateful.

There are apparently two paramedics sitting at the front of the court this morning. I don't know if that's a bit random or not. Dad fainted when his verdict was read out - perhaps that's normal.

Straight on to count 3 - Tasha's restaurant. Substantive facts - a gun he was holding discharged into the floor.

Incidentally I said before and still say I respect the judges decision I don't think she's wrong. I think most of us here are just discussing the legalities and reasoning.
Re the paramedics there was some discussion on twitter yesterday that someone was not feeling well hence the abrupt end. Op maybe or a family member.

No, she was confused about what count. She's doing Count 2. Sunroof shot.

Judge seems a bit confused!

Checking in.

Does OP deny all this happened?

I think he does, Redcoats, and the two witnesses have different recollections. I suspect there won't be enough proof of this one.

Apparently he is pleading not guilty as he said the incident happened on a different day- therefore introducing reasonable doubt to the incident if the witnesses have recalled wrong.
(Andrew Harding sa journalist wrote that)

Yep - the evidence falls short of the required standard for reasonable doubt. Acquitted for that one.

Acquitted. Her summary makes sense there.

Apparently an SA lawyer this morning said if OP doesn't get Culp Hom, he's leaving the law...

And it's been noted both police and paramedic presence is higher today.

Sounds dramatic, which is a shame -it should be about justice; not melodrama.

Acquitted on that charge.

I'm still at bringing a gun to lunch!

Guildty of count 3 - Tasha's it would seem.

The ammunition charge now.