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Part 6: Israeli-Palestinian conflict

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AndHarry · 15/08/2014 17:12

Sorry, lost the end of the thread there!

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runes · 05/09/2014 18:12

Honey Pay no heed. You know you are right and so do they deep down, but it must be hard for some people to accept the reality of what Israel has done/are doing. There are none so blind as those who will not see. Free Palestine. Boycott Israel.

Yruapita · 05/09/2014 19:18

Wow! Just come back to find The Israel apologist posters have been disgusting in the way that they have been attacking honey, one after another - a reflection of the aggressive tactics used by Israel perhaps.

Honey is right in the points that she has made. The truth is uncomfortable, even unbearable for the pro Israelis to hear, therefore they have laid into her one after another.

Richard Falk, the former UN special rapporteur on human rights in the Occupied Palestinian Territories:
Falk has called Israeli policies in the Occupied Territories “a crime against humanity.” Falk also has compared Israel’s treatment of the Palestinians to the Nazi treatment of the Jews. Falk has said, “I think the Palestinians stand out as the most victimized people in the world.”

Honey, the Israel apologists are doing what they know best - bullying, singling out for attacks and victimising you. We are all Palestinians. As for those claiming no Israel apologist has been racist or condoned Palestinian deaths, well I shall come back to that later tonight.

Interesting how anyone outraged by the treatment if Palestinian is called hysterical and a ranter whilst the aggressor and the systematic approach to ethnic cleansing is apparently very rational and justified. Sick excuses.

Yruapita · 05/09/2014 19:22

Rabbi Michael Lerner, editor of Tikkun Magazine:
“If a Jew today goes into any synagogue in the U.S. or around the world and says, 'I don’t believe in God or Torah and I don’t follow the commandments,' most will still welcome you in and urge you to become involved. But say, 'I don’t support the State of Israel,' and you are likely to be labeled a 'self-hating Jew' or anti-Semite, scorned and dismissed."

JohnFarleysRuskin · 05/09/2014 19:26

Honey, I’m sorry you feel singled out, however, you have certainly have been happy to dish it out. From telling me I was derailing, I was a troll, telling me to get an education, telling me that I justified the murder of innocents, I don’t think you’ve heard anything more ‘personal and nasty’ than the stuff you said to me.

I find your argument there is no anti-semitism offensive. If you, as a non-Jew, haven’t experienced anti-semitism fine, please don’t try to speak for all of us. Your anecdotes count for nothing. The data is there. I don’t go round telling gays there is no homophobia or Muslims there is no islamaphobia.

This is annoying yet what’s really offensive is that whenever anyone has disagreed with you about the dismissive way you talk about anti-semitism ‘cynical manipulation?’ you have come straight back at them that they are ‘ok with the murder of thousands’. (or that they are trolls).

Its a little ...strange...to repeatedly respond in that way given that many of the posters who you have been hectoring, have declared a dislike for current Israeli policy.

But you don’t seem to be listening to anything that these posters are saying: it’s as though a switch goes off in your head: you hear someone dislikes anti-semitism and you decide to address them as though they are a member of the knesset.

Do you think you can work out why that is?

winkywinkola · 05/09/2014 19:30

Yes. And I wonder what happens in Gaza if you say you don't support Hamas? I believe Hamas like to hang their opponents from buildings. Such democracy.

But I guess the Hamas groupies on here could never believe that.

And before you bleat on again about how terrible it is to criticise Hamas, I too believe the murder of all those Palestinians by the Israelis was quite wrong.

JohnFarleysRuskin · 05/09/2014 19:31

Oh God.

I will stick to relationship threads.
I thought encouraging people to leave losers was hard - its nothing compared to trying to have a conversation with some of the people on this thread.

bullying, singling out for attacks and victimising you.
Unbelievable.

alemci · 05/09/2014 19:38

yes lovable rogues reallyHmm

just misunderstood

alemci · 05/09/2014 19:39

I mean Hamas

maami · 05/09/2014 19:54

...And made in israel

maami · 05/09/2014 19:58

I read the other day how ISIS has tens of thousands of Twitter accounts to spread their propaganda...how many Hamas ones do you think it would take on Mumsnet - shall we count????

You mean like the volunteers paid for hasbara..?

winkywinkola · 05/09/2014 20:03

Maami, you are pro Hamas aren't you?

Quite a straightforward question that one.

Try answering it. I'm not bullying you or victimising you like an Israeli government.

maami · 05/09/2014 20:09

Yes. And I wonder what happens in Gaza if you say you don't support Hamas? I believe Hamas like to hang their opponents from buildings. Such democracy.

Perhaps... Abit like the anti-war israelis who get beaten up and spat at in public.. Whilst police look the other way.. Or you get banned from entering gaza as gideon levy did for writing about the situation there. Uni professers are forbidden from speaung or sympathising with the gazans... Its not really a democracy.. But a facade.

This is not about netenyahoo..he wasnt in gov when op cast lead took place.. It is the system of occupation at large that is messed up... A systematic and brutal mass ethnic cleansing. Forget israel....Imagine it was another country (russia for example) doing exactly the same thing.... And you will perhaps be able to see the wood for the trees..

maami · 05/09/2014 20:16

Winky.. Am i? Is that because i am pro palestinian and anti ethnic cleansing..?

maami · 05/09/2014 20:25

Intresting that the pro palestinians get labelled as racists and hamas groupies or wat not.. Thats fine if you want to label us.. But then dont go around squealing and hiding when you get called pro nazi for being pro israeli!!.

winkywinkola · 05/09/2014 20:41

Eh? You label anyone who dared to have a different view to you as an Israeli apologist. Whether they are or not.

I don't think you're very logical but I guess that's because you're full of human empathy and not a cold, calculating killer like the Israeli government.

Your posts merely demonstrate that Hamas and the Israeli government are both quite wicked.

winkywinkola · 05/09/2014 20:42

And you didn't answer the question. Like a politician. So evasive.

Are you pro Hamas?

goldvelvet · 05/09/2014 20:49

I'm not pro Hamas. I am anti the Israeli Government.

Pro civilian rights. Anti collective punishment.

How many, homes, schools, hospitals and un shelters were destroyed?

goldvelvet · 05/09/2014 20:53

That question wasn't asked of me but I just wanted to put my viewpoint out there.

The Israeli government are cowardly scum in my eyes and I want nothing to do with them. Shame on them for portraying their people and their country in such a bad light. For murdering thousands of civilians. Destroying hundreds of thousands of lives. I wonder how many people around how many countries can now only think of Israel with a bd taste in their mouths.

maami · 05/09/2014 21:04

Eh? You label anyone who dared to have a different view to you as an Israeli apologist. Whether they are or not.

Not really.. I havent used that term actually..i dont tend to anyway.

If you read my previous post you will know that i have mentioned my view on hamas..

  1. They are a creation of israel
  1. They are brutal but insignificant when compared to israels brutality
  2. They are not a significant threat anymore....in this israeli attack.. they killed 8 civilians.... Def. not something worth killing thousands of women and babies over.
  1. Most importantly.. They came about in 1987... Israels occupation and ethnic cleansing existsd looong before Hamas came into being.. And will remain long after should hamas dissapear. That is my main point.. This is a deliberate and well planned land grab.. Hamas & fatah etc are irrelevant! Infact fatah has a peace deal with israel.. Yet their land keeps on diasspearing into settlements... Not much motivation there for hamas is there...?
maami · 05/09/2014 21:09

Forgot to add.. They did not start this recent massacre... The israelis did.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 05/09/2014 22:59

What is it i am meant to have said or done that is so despicable?

I'd make a genuine attempt to answer this, but really don't feel there would be any point. You've made it very clear that your mind is made up, no view except your own can possibly have any validity and anyone presumptious enough to hold alternative views must be immediately demonised as a supporter of child murder, even when they're spoken of their distress at the many deaths caused

Rather unfortunate really ...

winkywinkola · 05/09/2014 23:15

It's easier that way.

goldvelvet · 05/09/2014 23:45

Winky if you believe the murder of the civilians in Gaza was wrong what is your view point on Israel? Genuine question. Do you think they should have to face sanctions for their war crimes?

PigletJohn · 06/09/2014 00:27

"even when they're spoken of their distress at the many deaths caused"

That is not an excuse.

QnBoudi · 06/09/2014 00:54

Israel back with the bulldozers but what's the excuse this time? Is it a Hamas training camp? Have they been tunnelling? Or is the birth rate just too high??? electronicintifada.net/blogs/patrick-strickland/Palestinian-bedouin-homes-demolished-israel. Amazing circular logic tho. It's got to go because it's not officially recognised and doesn't have air raid shelters!!! You really couldn't make it up.