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[LouiseBrooks]

I defy anyone to watch this Iraqi MP without weeping.

I thought I’d just like to mention on a thread that a few pages or so back, argues that the UK parliament was wrong in allowing Syria’s Assad to murder his own people, that I am utterly disgusted that a parliament in MY NAME has decided to recognize a Palestine governed since 2006 by the Sunni Islamic Jihadists called Hamas, when that same parliament decided weeks ago, they needed to urgently counter the threat of the Sunni Islamic Jihadists called ISIS/ISIL/IS/I, whatever.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/in_the_news/2143340-Palestine-Israel

Thankfully to keep some hopes up in a UKIP less UK democracy, less than half the halfwits voted, but we clearly have problems determining which aggressive Sunni Islamic Jihadists we should be bombing and which ones supporting - maybe it’s something to do with who might be sending terrorists to our shores and therefore not threatening our back yard.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-29596822

What with the ‘democratic’ UK success of pro Islamist Hamas and anti migrant UKIP via the bombardment of social media, one has to wonder what the hell, in hell, the British people are going to endorse next – along current political lines, the removal of Jews from the UK back to Israel to reduce overall numbers, arguably to kill two birds with one democratic stone?

How can the UK parliament tell the loved ones of hostages held by ISIS that we don’t negotiate with Islamist terrorists, when they have recognized a State which in numbers has far more Hamas terrorists (than ISIS), who attack Israel e.g. with 4,000 rockets (less than half their stock) because they were democratically elected TO DO SO, by that Palestinian State?

Thankfully this is not government policy so someones thought it through.

I think that the recognition of Palestine strengthens Abbas and Fatah not Hamas. The Palestinians need to see that the political route will give them something.

Many Israelis also support the motion.

972mag.com/ex-israeli-ministers-mks-academics-to-british-mps-support-palestinian-statehood/97625/

Shakshuka …… Re your view that “a recognition of Palestine strengthen an Abbas (led) Fatah not Hamas” and “the Palestinians need to see that the political route will give them something” – unfortunately for both the people of Palestine and Israel, recent history shows that the opposite is true.

Under Fatah the Palestinian – Israeli Geneva Initiative/Accord of 2003 immediately looked to have began a peace process when Israel bulldozed the Israeli citizens entirely out of Gaza and some out of the West Bank – but it appears that most Palestinian’s saw the Accord as a ‘sell out’ and democratically elected a relatively small Islamist Hamas to both govern and ‘speak’ for them the only way terrorists do.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geneva_Initiative_(2003)

Hamas having ‘spoken’, found more Israeli feeling threaten by a Hamas led Palestine firing over 4,000 rockets and digging (I believe) 30 odd tunnels to get at them, resulting in late July 87% of Israelis supporting a continuation of the fight against Hamas and 95% believing the operation was just.
www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/israelis-support-netanyahu-and-gaza-war-despite-rising-deaths-on-both-sides/2014/07/29/0d562c44-1748-11e4-9349-84d4a85be981_story.html

So your belief that “many Israeli’s support the motion” is relative to the majority of Israelis, especially those within range of Hamas missiles, up to Tel Aviv I understand.

Generally speaking ALL terrorists including Islamic Jihadists have a ‘story’, a ‘grievance’, and god knows the cause of the Palestinians going back decades is right up there, arguably at the very top.

The Sunni ISIS has (to them) both a story and a grievance to fight (and die) for in forming their own State straddling Syria, Iraq and beyond, apparently aiming for Rome. A laughably safe home for 74% of the Sunni population within Syria being murdered by Assad only representing a 16% of the population Alawites (a branch of Shia) - AND the Sunni’s in Iraq, only forming around 35% of the Iraqi population, but marginalised (with the Kurds) by the previous no inclusive Shia regime.

The point here is that with terrorists, whether Sunni Islamic Jihadists called ISIS or Hamas, their end objective whether ‘just’ or not, can never be recognized when their means of achieving it involves attempted mass murders whether via beheading, the gun, a bomb, or the rocket. IMO.

So for ANY Israeli/Palestine peace deal the Israeli government (that tried in 2003) has to convince the Israeli people that a Palestinian government either led by Hamas, or in a fragile/phoney Unity administration with Fatah, is trustworthy enough to deal with it – and that clearly is not now, or while Hamas is not put back in their box - and will kick out any Israeli administration proposing it.

If as many believe that those Palestinians in GAZA want Hamas out, the half wit UK MP’s should have waited at the very least until Palestinians democratically rejected Hama – as all they have done now is EMBOLDEN Hamas, who can now say look what WE achieved via the ‘rocket’, that Fatah never did after 2-years of ‘talks’ in Geneva.

P.S. we’ve already had over 6,000 post going around in circles talking about all the causes and circling the Hamas facts, but THIS is a response to a UK government policy I never thought worth a new post.