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Establishment Paedophiled Part 2 : **Warning, potential triggers**

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standwellclearvehiclereversing · 21/07/2014 12:42

A new thread following on from the previous one in Chat here

OP posts:
kissmyheathenass · 15/08/2014 15:30

I feel powerless too Latin. We should all stop paying our taxes, that would make the establishment fall (but only if everyone did so).

Garlic, I still think Hollie Grieg was a victim, I have read some of the claims that it is all a hoax but I am not convinced.

KnittedJimmyChoos · 15/08/2014 18:57

The thread needs to be in chat or AIBU.

GarlicAugustus · 15/08/2014 19:46

I agree about Hollie Greig. I also wish there was something one could "do about it" but, tbh, raising general awareness probably is doing something. Each time a story hits the news, it must trigger memories and make survivors/witnesses want to tell theirs. We need relentless public pressure on both the government and the police. And I hate to say it, but we need more people to be more suspicious.

What would happen if, say, twenty men who'd been suckered into a network went to the papers all at once? What if twenty high-fliers who don't indulge went together to the papers & exposed those who do? What about all those high-profile chaps who get caught with a borderline teenager; "She said she was 18, and she looked it." Ever wondered if that 15-year-old was bait, and the man decided to take the exposure (and exclusion) rather than join in? I wouldn't know if that was the case, but they know. So do the 15-year-olds.

There have been some powerful discussions on Mumsnet about school kids being used by (mostly Asian) gangs, but no noticeable follow-up. Mumsnetters who work with abused kids - in and out of care homes - post here, and it's almost as if they type in invisible ink. The thing is, so many people do know! Then look away, say nothing :(

Silence is the networks' biggest ally - silence, and ignorance. This country has some of the strictest privacy laws in the world. It must be time for mass disobedience, mustn't it?

About 140,000 children go missing each year in the UK ... there is no exact figure because there's no exact data. 70% are not reported missing. Shows how much we really think of our children, doesn't it.

Sorry, I'm rambling around the topic. I find it disgusting that mandatory reporting doesn't apply to suspected child sexual abuse. It's a crime if you don't report suspected money laundering or illegal immigrants -and nobody's business if you suspect child buggery. I can't help thinking that compulsory reporting of both absent kids and suspected abuse would be some sort of a step forward.

GarlicAugustus · 15/08/2014 19:48

Knitted, the previous thread was in Chat. It got a bit messy in places, and nobody wanted it to disappear after 3 months!

WeDONTneedanotherhero · 15/08/2014 21:59

I'm just catching up on this. I work in the field (with victims of sexual abuse) so I feel really strongly that this momentum is kept up. The more people who speak up the harder it is to brush it under the carpet

KnittedJimmyChoos · 15/08/2014 22:14

Silence is the networks' biggest ally - silence, and ignorance. This country has some of the strictest privacy laws in the world. It must be time for mass disobedience, mustn't it?

YY it makes my blood boil when people come onto threads saiyng we should all shut up.

KnittedJimmyChoos · 15/08/2014 22:16

Mass disobedience is something we are not good at in UK sadly. conditioned to fall in line somewhere along the line.

KnittedJimmyChoos · 15/08/2014 22:17

About 140,000 children go missing each year in the UK ... there is no exact figure because there's no exact data. 70% are not reported missing. Shows how much we really think of our children, doesn't it

Yes it does as well as laws and sentences on child abuse.

GarlicAugustus · 15/08/2014 23:22

WeDont, how bad do you think the organised/connected/covered-up side of things is? Does it seem to you that the majority of abuses are perpetrated by sick individuals, or would you say there is a strong element of -er, social networking involving influential groups?

I realise you mustn't offer any but the vaguest of opinions, btw!

WeDONTneedanotherhero · 16/08/2014 07:30

Garlic there is considerable networking aspects within the "general public", so the possibility that networking could be reflected in other areas, where they have the money, power and inclination to hide it, may not be the hugest leap

GarlicAugustus · 16/08/2014 11:55

Yup :( Thanks, WeDont ...

Pleasenomorepeppa · 16/08/2014 13:26

Just caught up with this thread. I've been dipping in & out, reading links etc.
it's horrifying. I find it shocking that this isn't more widely known.
Also the lack of interest/discussion in every day life is something that I fail to understand.

GarlicAugustus · 16/08/2014 13:35

It's distressing reading, isn't it, Please?

I posted this link on the Cliff Richard thread - Auxerre, France. There are 11 pages, but it's not that gruesome a read. Just more of the same - police "incompetence", ignored evidence, persistent tales of high-standing men, etc :( I know this happens all over the world, and a lot worse in some places, but I guess I'm following Western European ones because it's so very likely that British abusers hook up with those in nearby countries. And because we expect the same standards from all our justice systems (atrociously failed in all cases.)

kissmyheathenass · 16/08/2014 15:51

Been awake since 5 am - couldn't stop thinking about one of the links upthread. I didn't read it all, I couldn't.

Pleasenomore peppa, re the lack of discussion in every day life, I usually get stonewalled. People prefer to talk about baking shows on tv it seems. Sad

creekyknees · 16/08/2014 17:13

I've just read your link Garlic, those poor families with no answers Sad

I read quite a lot about Princess Diana when she first died and so many people said France was the perfect Country to commit the perfect murder and get away with it. I never understood why, especially as the internet wasnt about back then and google didnt exist!

'The United States of Europe' which we have all been landed with is looking dodgier and dodgier as time goes on and the only people who seem to benefit from it are the criminals establishment at the highest levels.

KnittedJimmyChoos · 16/08/2014 19:35

'The United States of Europe' which we have all been landed with is looking dodgier and dodgier

I agree.

bunchoffives · 16/08/2014 23:47

If anyone is interested in how and why these cases are frequently not prosecuted there was some proper research done:

Brian Corby, Alan Doig & Vicky Roberts, Public Inquiries into Abuse of Children in Residential Care (2001) Jessica Kingsley Publishers, London

One stand-out fact to me from the North Wales abuse cases is that evidence was collected and statements taken from 2500 witnesses, reports on 365 cases submitted to the CPS and out of these there were 8 prosecutions with just 6 sentences. (page 107)

bunchoffives · 16/08/2014 23:47

Just wanted to post this on this thread so it doesn't go poof in case anyone's interested.

GarlicAugustus · 17/08/2014 00:30

Cheers! I've just replied on the Cliff thread - I only read one section of the book; did the author address my questions, which I'd have thought fairly obvious?

Wannabestepfordwife · 17/08/2014 08:08

www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2726975/MPs-ferocious-attack-serving-Chief-Constable-As-long-police-chief-stays-paedophiles-sex-abusers-away-writes-SIMON-DANCZUK-Labour-MP-Rochdale.html I agree with Danczuk how can his stay as Chief Constable? I would be interested if he has any connections to the establishment

scandip · 17/08/2014 13:13

Kissmyheathenass, I love baking shows. I kind of like to live in my own little bubble, BUT I am still aware of what goes on in the world and whenever I share anything related to this on facebook for example, I am met with mostly a stony silence. I think most people don't believe it or don't want to know. I am disconcerted by how much people want to stick their heads in the sand.

Tiredemma · 17/08/2014 15:07

Distressing stuff here.

I cant believe its happening with nothing being done.

Mitzi50 · 17/08/2014 15:11

Have just signed the petition which now has over 100,000 signatures - let's hope something gets done.

Tiredemma · 17/08/2014 15:38

can you link me to the petition please

kissmyheathenass · 17/08/2014 15:51

Scandip, I too will admit to enjoying the occasional cookery programme!

The Simon Danczuk article in today's Daily Fail is good and the comments reassuring. Who promoted Fahy to the top and why? Was he being bought off? Hmmm.

Direct action on a huge scale is what's needed. For me the first step was not buying a tv licence. Obviously to make a difference, more people would need to follow suit and it would send a message to the establishment that we are angry and want change.