Girl in Magaluf giving oral sex to 24 men for free drink

[ICanTuckMyBoobsInMyPockets]

We we were talking about this at work today, and the majority verdict was that this girl is a slapper and will do anything for a free drink.
This may well be true.
However, I was trying to make a point about the objectification of women and how this would never happen the other way around. I couldn't explain myself properly and ended up looking an idiot
Can someone help me explain what I mean.
Maybe this should be in Feminist Chat?

[Jesaya]

It wouldn't happen the other way round though would it?

There is blame at everyone involved (including the reps feet) IMHO.

[SevenZarkSeven]

Flicktheswitch do you think it is reasonable in all circumstances to get people to do things and mislead them about the prize?

If there was a "holiday" being offered as the main prize in a raffle at your children's school, and everyone bought tickets, and then the school said haha here's a fruit cocktail, you would say that was perfectly reasonable?

You see I think manipulating people into doing things on the promise of things you have no intention of giving them is totally bang out of order. I am surprised that apparently anyone on this thread thinks otherwise TBH.

[SevenZarkSeven]

@allan_collinson is a cunt of the first order and needs to have some kind of serious consequence for his actions. IMO.

[VampyreofTimeandMemory]

I think they're all to blame and whoever is responsible for the video being on the internet must be a vile human being BUT I too have seen many young men and women doing crazy things while drunk without being coerced or put pressure on. the thought is just horrid though.

[SomewhereovertheRainbow02]

Anyone got a link to this story?

[EverythingCounts]

The rep is vile and I agree the trick over the holiday makes it worse. I don't, however, think, as many do here, that the woman has to have had an abusive past to explain this. What does explain it is Ariel Levy's book Female Chauvinist Pigs, which covers both how pleasing as many men as possible sexually has become cool, and why men think it's funny to trick them into doing it.

[7Days]

there probably is an argument to say it was abuse or assault of some sort

technically, she consented to sexual activity under certain conditions

she was mislead, these conditions were not met - so technically her consent is not valid/withdrawn

poor girl, who hasn't been pissed and stupid, and easily led. she wouldn't be the first girl to be taken advantage of and made a laughing stock

[7Days]

agree with Everything Counts

Though I'd go a step further sand think that the culture we have today almost grooms young girls to become providers of sex, as opposed to sexual agents for themselves

[VampyreofTimeandMemory]

7 I agree completely that she was taken advantage of. What sort of bloke would actually agree to it as well. Very unpleasant.

[Jesaya]

There is a massive difference between being pissed and stupid and this though. I just can't believe nobody stopped her. If that was a friend of mine she'd have been dragged out of there, kicking and screaming if need be.

[7Days]

Sorry my last post was unclear, that pretty much is what Levy says in her book, but I don't know does she use the term 'grooming', which I think is apt

[SevenZarkSeven]

I get some bloke up on twitter who seems like the one when I put that name in.

It's all quite boring though which is confusing. I was expecting haranguing and arguing and all these lawyer threats.

[EverythingCounts]

7Days I totally agree with that too. It's now been established as cool/expected for young women to prioritise sexualising themselves for men's pleasure, but with their own coming a long way down the list, if it features at all. Depressing.

[Pixel]

She was manipulated/tricked into performing a sex act on a bunch of men. She was told she would get something in return, which she hasn't got.

Whether she got it or not is rather beside the point isn't it? The point is selling sex in return for something is prostitution plain and simple and she was willing to put herself forward for that. How many people would even consider doing such a vile thing even if it was for a holiday?

As for the rep, he certainly doesn't come out of it smelling of roses, but from what I've seen of these 18-30 type holidays on tv documentaries and suchlike, the humiliating sex games seem to be expected as part of the package. There seems to be no shortage of people willing to join in so I suppose the reps can get carried away with it all. I wonder what sort of turnover they have with the reps. Do they all go to work there knowing they are going to be involved in this stuff or do some arrive thinking they will get paid to arrange coach tours and find lost property and then get a terrible shock?

[SevenZarkSeven]

It's not beside the point at all

It's just a different point to the one you are interested in.

Oh 7 I think your post here "there probably is an argument to say it was abuse or assault of some sort, technically, she consented to sexual activity under certain conditions, she was mislead, these conditions were not met - so technically her consent is not valid/withdrawn" sort of explains why that particular aspect of this horrified me.

I find it really disturbing that anyone does not see that as an issue. Is it because men are "expected" to lie and cheat and do whatever they want in order to get women to do what they want sexually? Which I would have thought was obviously a terrible state of affairs that needs changing - it is not acceptable for men to "get" women to do what they want sexually by lying and manipulating. But quite a number of people on this thread seem to have no problem with that and I find it really disturbing.

I wonder if it was a different "sort" of woman, a different situation, a different sex act that was involved whether people would see it differently. I am suspecting the answer is yes.

[SevenZarkSeven]

Pixel by your logic it would be OK for men to have sex with prostitutes and then not pay them. Is that what you think?

[GiantIsopod]

That's disgusting. Were the men drunk too?

[YellowBellow]

Wish half the interest in slapping down this girl on social media could be generated in the lost Leon Brittan dossier. Not that the magaluf story and the depressing lens on this vile male culture isn't worth discussion but why is it front page news in place of this story?

[StackALee]

The 4 men sound like arseholes. Wonder if their parents are proud?

[Pixel]

No of course not but I think most prostitutes would be sensible enough to take the money up front! I doubt many women would have chosen that life but they usually forced into it by a more urgent reason than the prospect of a free holiday.

I don't know why you think I'm saying it's ok or expected for men to lie or cheat to get sex. Men like that repulse me and I would die of shame if a son of mine treated women like that, but it has to be said some women do seem to make it easy for such creeps by being so willing to have sex with complete strangers.

Yes it's wrong that she was lied to/misled, I never said it wasn't, but she has to bear some responsibility. All the men were vile, no question, but you still can't call it assault.

[MamaPain]

My DS was telling us about this story earlier. Seems shocking to me but he and his friends seemed to think this kind of thing is quite common on this sort of holiday. They could come up with quite a few other stories they've heard of similar incidents but that haven't been as publicised. Having seen some of the things on BBC3/Channel 4 about these holidays, I can believe them.

Personally I think part of the problem isn't necessarily related to misogyny but how our culture fetishes youth, extremism and this sort of hedonistic existence, that classic claim of sex, drugs etc. In the majority that's limited for most to a functioning level by school/work/home responsibilities and boundaries but when they go off on these holidays everything goes. Kids all egg each other on to go wild, and to (shamefully) paraphrase One Direction, live while they're young.

That being said societal pressures aside I don't think you can apportion responsibility to everyone else but the girl. Blame does lie with the men, and bystanders, but she did those things, not forced and regardless of whether it was for a holiday, it's shortsighted behaviour. She may have been drunk but she wasn't that drunk and that's part of drinking, accepting the choices you amy make as a result. Her and presumably her friends all seemed to think it was a big laugh at the time, Unlucky for her it was filmed.

[Jesaya]

4 men? Do you mean 24 men? Fortunately for many of them they haven't been identified and if they have privately their actual names haven't been dragged through the mud online. The only names to my knowledge that partook in this disgusting "game" that have been published are the girls and the reps.

[NoArmaniNoPunani]

According to the mirror the girls parents are born again Christians and they have 'forgiven' her.