Oscar Pistorius Trial Part 8

[Roussette]

here is Number 7.

That's Sod's law member . You've obviously read it though or you wouldn't have said.

Yes Gosh that's what I thought when I saw it, it was to see if it was feasible to do it on stumps, as the prosecution originally said he had,put legs on first.

I also think although he can move, it doesn't look that comfy. And he has never said he couldn't walk on his stumps.

I felt uncomfortable watching it

Special programme on sky news 8pm tonight

Lawyer on sky news saying that nel could ask to use the video in court, and he can also recall witnesses

Can't find anything that says when aimee would first have heard his events - can't imagine it would have been at the trial, must have been much earlier.

That picture is bloody awful Ronald. If OP is suffering from PTSD or GAD or whatever, I'm sure he just wouldn't be able to drape himself over a toilet imitating how Reeva was after he shot her. Dreadful. And yes he did shoot her, all the re-enactments in the world won't take that fact away.

now contrarily thinking about it...if they had decided to video this re enactment I guess Aimee Pistorius was the only person who would/could have 'played' the part of the deceased

Blardy hell, maybe.. poor her. Sitting through the trial perhaps remembering the times when she 'played' the part of poor Ms Steenkamp. Perhaps wondering where and why and when the 'versions' veer from the one videoed.
Tortuous

Wow, one of the experts on sky has said that she doesn't think OP is a risk of suicide as "he loves himself too much"

Nearest I can find re Aimee Pistorius first hearing full version of events during testimony is Daily Telegraph on 9th April

09.54 Aislinn Laing, our correspondent in court, says a Pistorius family source says the reason for his breakdown yesterday was that he has never before been able to speak about it before so openly about that night.
Family say he'd always previously got to a certain point then couldn't go further, with his lawyers, or with them. It was the first time
It explains why the family were so emotional, and why he collapsed so completely.

Infuriating because I'm sure I read more about it at the time on Twitter!

Yet the professionals assessing him at Weskoppie thought otherwise. What would they know.

Rousette - are you happy that the report says he was capable if knowing right from wrong etc or is just the slightly more sympathetic finding that you disagree with?

Wasn't the film recorded in his uncles house?

Yes, member. I remembered reading the bit you quoted but didn't remember a reference to Aimee

I'm guessing the defence's expert witnesses didn't see this video as OP is much more mobile and stable than they implied. I haven't read anything definitive about how it was leaked - just a lot of speculation.

Well, he's not falling over but I don't think stable is the word I'd use.
It's odd to see him as a disabled person, I think: he's generally seen as a super powerful athlete. He can clearly mobilise on his stumps with some speed but I didn't think it was totally at odds with the recent evidence: effectively that it hurts him, he falls easily, can't do it for that long and needs his arms to aid balance. His gait was totally abnormal and his left arm is held a long way out for balance.

I wish they'd wrap it up now: all the recent evidence doesn't feel like its adding much. It's going to hang on the question of the evidence of whether it waa reeva or oscar heard screaming I think.

nerf don't think I disagree with anything... I think he is quite capable of knowing right from wrong.

But you disagree with the PTSD finding? I'm not sure the revealed parts of the psych report has added anything much. The original therapist didn't say he didn't know right from wrong and no one was suggesting he wasn't fit to stand trial. I guess it rules out any appeal.

sleepy when he's walking away from the camera, I didn't think either arm was obviously being used for balance. Fwiw I think the video fits with OP's own testimony about how much he did on his stumps.

Imo it doesn't fit with the doctor who testified but at the time I also thought the doctor's testimony was at odds with OP's own account. Although iirc the doctor did say OP's mobility would have improved with adrenaline.

Roulette makes a decent point re PTSD. OP will have been very reluctant to reenact a situation which has given rise to an anxiety disorder
I was surprised he was able/willing to do it

I think trying to save yourself from a murder conviction would be a firm motivating factor. Also, this is an edited version of whatever was filmed, we have no way of knowing what happened behind the scenes.

Well that while month was pointless then wasn't it. Because the experts on here know more about PTSD - could have saved a fortune.

Nerf I am sure he does suffer from PTSD - I am just saying that even with that condition which can be quite horrific, it didn't stop him re-enacting the whole thing and I found that photo of him rather distasteful.

Yes Ronald. Most people with PTSD would do anything, absolutely anything to avoid triggers like that. He has PTSD no doubt, just not sure how severe it is.

I know when I had a bad car crash with the DC in the car (ambulances for us etc) I couldn't drive down that road again and from then on in I had to do a 3 mile detour to avoid it. Still can't drive down there even now and it was a long time ago.

But how do you know that? That's just your experience extrapolated into 'most people'. Anyway, I'm interested in the reconstruction and what it means for the case - do we know when it was made?

lol, actually nerf I do know about ptsd and gad
I said that imo GAD was a interesting but not clinically significant diagnosis re fitness. I also disregarded that OP, on the face of it, would have an executive dysfunction when that was bandied about

Maybe I am not seeing this clearly as I find it so distasteful

I am not questioning that OP's reported symptoms currently meet the criteria for PTSD. I might question how much the symptoms are affected by his currently taking part in a trial which could result in the loss of his liberty, livelihood and perhaps life as he knows it.

Taking part in this re enactment should have been impossibly difficult for him. I fail to see how they could have persuaded him to do some of the things that he did without significant distress/reluctance.

If the re enactment was only ever for the other experts to trial their evidence I don't see why they would/could have had to put OP through something this harrowing.

There was certainly no need to have him carry his sister downstairs as there were actual witnesses to that and factual bloodsplatter evidence.

There was no necessity to do this or make him go through this. I cannot see how he could have been compelled to do so against his will.

Rousette pls forgive the typo on your name, my ipad autocorrected it

I have no live stream today, which makes things slightly difficult to follow.

I missed all of the furore over the video. I'm mostly annoyed that it was leaked in this way, as it may jeopardise the trial, and that, for me, is the main thing here. A mistrial over something stupid like this would be infuriating.

My own experience with PTSD matches Rousette's, but obviously it's different for all people. I would say, however, that the time immediately following the trauma was, surprisingly, when it was easiest to talk about. The other issue with my circumstances is that the trauma then continued for about 5 months. It's possible that I would have been less effected if I hadn't had to go through it all again weekly with various degrees of stress from medium to terrible.

From that it might be possible to extrapolate that it's possible that OP's PTSD is worsening because of the continual high stress that he finds himself in.

But I don't know - it's just one possible theory among many.

What I would say (in my opinion) is that Pistorius being more able on his stumps than last weeks doctors made out makes his testimony of the events make more sense. I was doubting him last week because of the emphasis that he was so unsteady on his stumps when in his testimony, he describes doing an awful lot on them.