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Madeleine McCann investigation

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lyndie · 06/05/2014 18:49

I saw today that possible excavations are to start in the resort where MM went missing.

Does anyone think the progress The Met have made is astonishing given the length of time that has elapsed? I can't help but wonder what progress could have been made if they had been involved at the start.

I really hope that somehow they can find out what happened and give her family some sort of closure. I know the ins and outs of what happened and her parents leaving her have been discussed at length on MN but from a crime point of view I would be very interested to see if the Portugese police had done enough or not.

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noddyholder · 09/05/2014 23:21

Sabrina why is your view more valid than any other? Costa is entitled to believe the PJ just as you believe SY.

ExcuseTypos · 09/05/2014 23:22

It's just a bit weird that when someone asks you to justify something you've stated, they reply with "I know lots of things".

Very odd.

noddyholder · 09/05/2014 23:23

None of us know anything for sure but can I ask those who believe the mccanns version of events how would you feel if the Portuguese version was proved right in court? Genuine question btw

SabrinaMulhollandJjones · 09/05/2014 23:26

But it hasn't been proved right in court, noddy. And that's very relevant - because a lot of the info that Almaraland the pj files banter around is actually not fact at all.

As the calpol business shows.

Deux · 09/05/2014 23:27

@Sabrina

I really think you've dragged this thread down. For someone who didn't want to speculate you're getting a bit bogged down in detail.

And dare I say it, behaving in a rubbernecking fashion, ghoulish even.

Why can't you just play nice like everyone else was before you came along?

Oh, btw, have you ever been to Portugal?

TheDoctrineOfSnatch · 09/05/2014 23:28

How would I feel? If there was evidence examined by and found by the court to be proof beyond reasonable doubt, and their findings made sense, I'd accept that and feel sad for Madeleine.

Fwiw, I believe the McCanns but am not "heavily invested" in that belief.

SabrinaMulhollandJjones · 09/05/2014 23:31

What does going to portugal have to do with knowing that calpol doesn't drug a child to sleep? Or knowing that the McCann's campaigned to get the case re-opened? (Well documented).

I'm sorry you feel that my posts here have thwarted your (collective) ghoulish speculation - but it needed saying.

noddyholder · 09/05/2014 23:33

Nor has their version. I am just asking would you be really shocked if Amaral was proved right? I wouldn't so am just curious as to whether other would or not. I got banned on here for a week for saying something completely true from the horses mouth as it were and so I have a very strong view on this which has never changed but I understand and respect both view points. I am not conspiracy type at all quite the reverse apart from this

nomorequotes · 09/05/2014 23:34

Sabrina have you read the links to Calpol Night that myself and others have posted? That is what is being discussed in a sedative sense. I hope that makes things clearer for you about that little issue.

LaVolcan · 09/05/2014 23:36

I don't know that the McCanns did campaign to get the case reopened. I thought the Portuguese re-examined the case and re-opened, (or de-archived it, because it was never officially closed), off their own bat.

The McCanns petitioned Cameron to get SY involved, but that is not a 're-opening' of anything.

TheDoctrineOfSnatch · 09/05/2014 23:36

Sabrina, my kids were born after yours and I had a bottle of medised (never used) for the older one. NCT mates used to big it up (in between the lentil weaving)

ExcuseTypos · 09/05/2014 23:36

I would eat my hat if Amaral's version was found to be true.

Who is the "horses mouth" Noddy?

noddyholder · 09/05/2014 23:38

SY cannot re open anything Cameron allowed the £ to try and look over all the evidence the Portuguese had. They opened the case again themselves Kate and Gerry have thanked them for that. The fact that they have their own ideas on what happened is not bad thing

ExcuseTypos · 09/05/2014 23:38

Anyway as Sabrina had been told off for daring to post her thoughts, I'd better leave too. I just hate seeing all this nonsense being posted without being properly challenged.

noddyholder · 09/05/2014 23:40

I am hardly going to repeat it

noddyholder · 09/05/2014 23:42

I think amaral would have dropped it by now if he had absolutely no confidence in the original Portuguese investigation

SabrinaMulhollandJjones · 09/05/2014 23:43

I would be shocked if it was actually proven in court - i'd think they were the stupidest people ever to concoct a cover-up like this, and to keep harping on about the case in the media. And they're not stupid, are they?

I don't know the McCanns, like Doctrine, I have no personal investment in the case. But I happened upon Kate's book in a holiday villa we stayed in - and I believe her. Her story is more plausible and heartbreaking than anything I've read in the pj files. ANd it makes me a bit sick to read the crap on these threads, tbh. She's a mother who the worst thing imaginable has happened to.

If they had done what the pj files say they have, they'd have pretty dumb to a] alert the press in first place, as they did, and b] keep it the headlines and campaign to re-open the case. It would've just been forgotten - missing children often don't even make the news - far more convenient for a guilty party.

ExcuseTypos · 09/05/2014 23:43

But just because you've heard something "from the horses mouth" doesn't make it true Noddy.

noddyholder · 09/05/2014 23:47

I know it wasn't anything about the mccanns it was about a friend working on the case. I would eat my hat if he was wrong btw it's just opposing views

janey68 · 10/05/2014 00:03

No conspiracy theories here; I have no idea what happened, and my only emotion about the case is that I feel terribly sorry for the child who is the victim here.

However, I absolutely agree with those who've said that MNHQ have taken a very defensive (of the Mccanns ) stance all the way along. Right from the very early threads on the subject it almost felt like sacrilege to question anything that they said. I clearly remember posts being deleted for simply stating facts, if they made uncomfortable reading.

This is a very sad case, and pretty much without precedent for a child to be missing with absolutely no evidence of abduction or indeed of anything else. One always hopes for answers, not just in this case but for the many other missing children. Sadly after seven years I don't think there will be though.

SabrinaMulhollandJjones · 10/05/2014 00:05

Can I just repeat, once again, as excusetypos posted, calpol night didn't become available till 4 months after Madeleine went missing.

PennyTheProcrastinator · 10/05/2014 00:43

Really don't understand how people can discount a whole police investigation just because they are 'forrin'. Let's not forget that the UK police were involved in supplying the dogs and the DNA tests were sent to the UK to be analysed so there was collusion from the start with that train of inquiry. It seems easier to put the blame for any suspicion with regards to the parents on the 'bumbling sardine munchers' though doesn't it?

The UK media has maintained a staunch silence on anything that detracts from an abduction and that is only a 'theory' and a weak one at that with absolutely no evidence in the public domain to indicate it happened at all. There is more published 'evidence' to point at an alternative unpalatable theory sadly but that is one the 'sardine munchers' dreamed up so can't possibly be right yes? It would have been the same whatever country was involved I should imagine similarly with the Meredith Kercher case.

The only indisputable facts in this case are that 3 defenceless toddlers were left alone without any protection. I actually feel that the ruthlessly engineered outpouring of public sympathy for the McCann's has hampered this investigation more than anything else.

It is not 'ghoulish' to want to discuss what could possibly have happened to Madeleine who vanished without a trace and 8 years later it is still totally baffling and there are STILL unanswered questions. Most of us have DC here and to think a child could be 'snatched' from their bed is horrific but the other alternative is uncomprehensible so the former is the easier theory to believe. I hope I and the PJ are proved wrong in my lifetime or my faith in humanity will be lost tbh.

NeedsAsockamnesty · 10/05/2014 00:53

Calcold was availible

janey68 · 10/05/2014 00:59

... And it's interesting how those same people who warily think any 'forrin' police force must by definition be a load of bumbling keystone cops, conveniently forget that the Met haven't exactly been shining examples of competence and integrity down the years....

I also agree that the hugely emotive outpouring of sympathy for the mccanns doesn't sit easily with many of us. It is perfectly possible to feel sorry for the victim of this situation, without buying into the whole public sympathy thing. The Mccanns had a highly orchestrated PR campaign right from the get go. Maybe they really believed this was the right way to go, but it feels very uncomfortable to many. The focus from the start was very much about diverting any criticism away from themselves and their friends, and portraying a certain image of themselves as parents. I just think that when your child is missing, is that really the thing to be focusing on?

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