Oscar Pistorius Trial Part 6

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here is Part 5 but we are ready (nearly) for a new one.

Sorry. Nerf. Fat fingers on phone

Looking I used to work in overseas development. Everyone who was posted abroad had staff - houseboys, etc, - in every country that they worked. It was the norm for everyone posted to Africa, Asia, etc. It's a very different way of life to ours. (I can't even afford a cleaner!)

Springy, yes just gone back and checked. Carice says they were in the car and it seems like it was bothering them to just leave it. Aimee went back, past the policem-an (that's the bit I thought implied it was okay) and took it.
I just think there was nothing sinister and, as women, they knew that handbags were personal.

Catchingup on the evidence from today.

So stander (mr) tried to call the emergency services but 'couldn't get hold of them' and Stipp had to give him the number?

So there would be records on his phone of when he first tried to call the emergency services.

I found his testimony so so rehearsed. He used loads of words to describe how Oscar was (broken etc) and then said it was difficult to describe.

But I suppose it would be rehearsed.

If they knew it was personal (the handbag) then even more reason not to take it, from a crime scene, without seeking permission.

I'm a woman and I wouldn't do this. If my sil was murdered by my brother, taking her handbag wouldn't even cross my mind.

Oh well, we can disagree. I might have done, as a young person, emotional, not thinking, so I can see how it happened.
Not that they should, but I can see how it could be an innocent error.

Stack But I suppose it would be rehearsed.

I think you're right - when it's your friend in the dock and you are worried that something you say might incriminate them... even if you're telling the truth. However I have been a witness giving evidence against a man who had sexually assaulted me. My testimony was crucial because he attacked me on two separate occasions and his defence was that with all the women who had come forward and positively identified him, it was a case of mistaken identity. In that instance, despite my knowing it was crucial I was a good witness, I did not even think to rehearse what I was going to say beforehand.

By the way I also thought it was ridiculous for Stander to be trying to make out that he and Oscar weren't particularly friendly.

So sorry you had to go through that kind of experience voice.

Sorry that was probably a bit TMI

(But thanks... :) )

There could have been a diary in the bag where Reeva wrote down her concerns about OP's behaviour. If there had been, would AP have handed it in or quietly removed it? No one would ever have known. Speculation, I know, but I really do find it wrong and strange that she took the handbag.

Hillwalker there could have been anything in the bag. We could speculate till Domesday about what might or might not have been in there

I just checked.....
Oscar said that it was the paramedics that asked for ID, but Carice said it was her idea.

Also, we don't know how long she had it. I have no idea from today's testimony. Did she change her mind and give it to the police at the station, or give it to the Pistorius lawyer to pass it on to the Steenkamps?

Louise - I don't think Hillwalker is saying that in order to speculate about what was in the bag per se, more to demonstrate how inappropriate it would be to remove it from the scene.

Thanks Nerf, I wondered if I imagined it. A previous poster said that Aimee had suddenly gone back and that they hadn't discussed it together.

I was agreeing with you in that I thought they had

I don't see anything sinister in it, they probably thought they were doing the right thing by keeping it "safe". I wonder who they gave it to? Maybe Gina Myers and her Dad who took the car away?

A previous poster said that Aimee had suddenly gone back and that they hadn't discussed it together.

This might have been me, in which case it was clumsily written on my part - I too thought they had discussed it, either in the car or just outside, and Aimee had gone back for it.

I think the handbag is one more of those things where we can all see quite clearly that it should not have happened. However, it did, and in the circumstances, I can see why they did do it. Or at least, the story that they wanted to give it to her mother makes sense, in a not-really-thinking kind of way.

I wouldn't take it. And part of me does think, did neither one of these adult people say 'the police might want to keep it, don't you think?' And that might have spurred one of them on to actually ask the question, rather than just hoping that it's OK because nobody stopped them.

It is pretty ridiculous behaviour. I wonder if it can be 'excused' by thinking that one of them had been awake since 3, and had, in that time, watched a young woman die, and the other had just found out her brother had killed a person. I'm not sure that it does. I'm just saying, perhaps this is where their sudden stupidity came from.

Also, I'm so sorry, Godot. That's an awful thing to have happened.

Thanks Looking.

I think in this situation we shouldn't be looking at witnesses to behave 'properly' - as you say they have just experienced something unbelievably shocking. It is for the police and those charged with preserving the scene to prevent such things happening...

Thank you, voice. That is what I was trying to say.

Nah, looking it was me, Springy isn't doing pmsl today, dunno why.

No, Looking, I think it was quite clear what you were saying about the bag.

Well I think we all agree it was inappropriate, with varying degrees of understanding how they might have thought it helpful or kind.
We are doing so well

What I really thought today was how in her evidence carice kept saying Oz and I felt she really liked him/looked up to him and was desperate for him to survive this.
Her dad not so much, more trying to avoid Nels pitfalls.

Nerf