UKIP candidate wants compulsory abortion...

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...for foetuses with Downs Syndrome and other disabilities. Can't believe it. I hope that any Mumsnetters living in Kent can get out and vote for someone else! Link is to Gravesend Reporter.
www.gravesendreporter.co.uk/news/exclusive_compulsory_abortion_for_down_s_syndrome_foetuses_says_ukip_kent_candidate_1_1745952

The reason the manifesto is not out is that it is for domestic UK policies. The upcoming election is about the EU.
There are some local elections on at the same time but UKIP does not impose anything on local candidates from a national level so they are free to address local issues which obviously vary from area to area.
It has been confirmed a few months ago that the 2010 manifesto has been torn up as it was formed at a very different time and indeed many of the people have also changed.
I could print lots of idiotic comments from members of other parties but UKIP are not in to the Yah Boo type politics of the others.
You must have seen the opinion polls so can 38% of the UK be wrong??
All I'm asking is you look beyond the headlines and actually read the articles to get a full picture. Once you have the facts you are free to make your own mind up.

Trouble is with that is, are UKIP then going to say that the 2015 manifesto, they didnt mean it, and everything has changed in 2019 for example?

The 'facts' are incredibly scant though. The policies are very ambiguous.

When they first set up, I could understand that they hadnt had time to think through and formulate properly. But I dont see that they have that excuse now.
And because of all their "rogue" people, their policies should be more important, not less.

Gil, have all those dangerous pillocks who supported the last manifesto been kicked out of the party then ?

Thought not...

"An East of England MEP who wrote UKIP’s manifesto for the last general election has been branded an “idiot” by party leader Nigel Farage.

David Campbell Bannerman, who has since defected to the Tories , was behind the 2010 document Mr Farage condemned by as “drivel”."

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“It was 486 pages long, I’m pleased to say that the idiot that wrote it has now left us and joined the Conservatives , so there is some traffic going back the other way, and they’re very welcome to him.”

www.cambridge-news.co.uk/News/East-of-England-MEP-David-Campbell-Bannerman-branded-idiot-by-UKIP-leader-Nigel-Farage-for-writing-drivel-election-manifesto-20140125085509.htm

It was drivel.

Farage couldn't have felt that strongly about it though, as it was on the party he leads website until 2013.

Mind you, he says he didn't even read it, which as he was chief party spokesman at the time is a bit surprising or not

I didn’t read it, it was drivel, 486 pages of drivel, I didn’t read it, nor did the party leader, it was a nonsense, and we’ve put that behind us and moved onto a professional footing

Does that inspire confidence?

It is not good. But I think it may possibly be explained by the fact that Farage was busy and at that time he was behind the curve and mistakenly thought that the Conservatives were a common sense party and that he could could leave the manifesto in the safe hands of a former Conservative activist. When he later read some of it, he seems to have become aware that it was, according to him, "drivel".

It may have been that at the time UKIP was mainly focused on its EU policy and that Farage did not pay too much attention to some other policies.

But what has now happened is that the public is desperate for a "common sense" party and has therefore abandoned the platitudes of the Conservatives and the preposterousness of Labour.

UKIP has now gained lots of new members and candidates who are focussing on providing the "common sense" policies that the public is demanding. That is why the "drivel" has been scrapped. The person who wrote the old manifesto, desscribed by Farage as "drivel", has gone back to the Conservative Party and Farage does not seem to regard that as a loss.

UKIP is a party that is changing and developing, which is why some of its policies have not yet been elaborated. We don't yet know all of their new policies, but it is likely that the "drivel" will have been scrapped and the "common sense" will be prevalent. I am not sure the same can be said about Conservative policy, and absolutely certain that it can't be said about Labour policy, and that view seems to be widely shared by the public which is why they are voting UKIP now.

I would say it was a lot more damaging, scary and downright Fucking Mental than being described as "drivel" tbh

UKIP Manifesto:

"We used to be a party of menkalists that spouted drivel (a few short years ago), but we're all right nowwwwww ..."

"We used to be a party of menkalists that spouted drivel (a few short years ago), but we're all right nowwwwww ..."

The former Tory activist who wrote it has now left UKIP and rejoined the Conservatives.

Even though the Tories have done relatively well on the economy and it is recovering now thanks to Osborne, lots and lots of Conservatives have abandoned them because they think they are not real Conservatives, don't elieve in Conservative values and are politically correct spinners. That is why there has been this seachange in voting intentions. It is not really about immigration or the EU because there was lots of immigration throughout New Labour's 13 years of misrule and even now if there was an EU referendum, it is not clear that the public will vote for out when teh establishment spinners try all of their scare tactic tricks. It is more far-reaching than that. It is that teh public have had enouugh of these politically correct spinners and that he public does not believe that they are on the people's side. It is very simple. The gap between their rhetoric and what he public believe has grow too wide and teh public wonders how much more politically correctness they will come up with over the next 5 years if voted back in.

"With 18 months to go, that puts Farage on course for capturing a third of the vote at the elections which would increase his number of MEPs from 12 to more than 30 and could make UKIP the biggest UK group in the EU."

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Nigel Farage has become one of the most likeable politicians – though not everyone agrees.

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"But Farage just shrugs and takes it in his stride. He says he will be always be himself, and happily smokes Rothmans cigarettes publicly – unlike Cameron and Nick Clegg – to show his political incorrectness , even defying a ban in his Brussels and Strasbourg offices.

The authorities threatened to fine him. “I told them they had better set up a standing order,” he jokes."

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/nigel-farages-shock-at-ukips-europe-1531433

The people are backing Farage, because even though he is an ex-public school City trader, he is like the people - one of us, not one of these Oxbridge politically correct spinners who are totally out of touch with the public.

The more the Etoanians and Oxbridge estblishment class attack Farage, the more the public support him, because teh public believe he is on our side, unlike them.

And that is why, even a manifesto full of "drivel", can be laughed off by the public and Farage.

The public, at the moment, trusts Farage. The politically correct establishment spinners are doing their utmost to shake the public's trust, but at the moment it is not working. It can't work unless they get a whole new set of faces that the public has never seen before, because the public has lost faith in the current lot, even though they have not messed anything up and are doing quite well on the economy.

That is why this is an "earthquake" that the establishment does not know how to fix. Spinners, fixers and scare tactics won't work because those are what has caused it.

The public does not ask for much - it wants truth over spin, straight-talking over lies, common sense over nonsense. It wants someone who cares about the public, not about bankers, lobbyists and EU bureaucrats.

People being burned to death in Europe, in Odessa, trapped in a building and jumping from windows to save their lives and then being beaten to death by far-right activists and football hooligans and according to Russia Today, shot in the head, and the police were nowhere to be seen. And the EU backed that government, brought into power by toppling an elected President, in a coup carried out to some extent by neo-nazi activists.

Did any EU politician say anything? Farage said "the EU has blood on its hands". He is not "politically correct".

"But Farage just shrugs and takes it in his stride. He says he will be always be himself, and happily smokes Rothmans cigarettes publicly"

He is his own man. He is not a puppet. He cares not what an EU bureaucrat tells him to think. He is independent and leads the United Kingdom Independence Party. And it is that independence and lack of spin and political correctness that makes the public trust him as being on their side rather than on the side of the bankers, billionaires and bureaucrats.

Claig …. To summarise that last post of that nice ‘populist’ Mr Farage;

Farage the career investment banking City oil and metals speculator broker is actually (now) against such banks.

Farage the pro Russia/Putin apologist on a nice EU taxpayer funded remuneration package, will look after our European interests, his way.

Farage the leader of the United Kingdom Independence Party does NOT spin, but tells voters that “only Ukip will take back control” but as Ukip cannot change British Law, that is not just spin, IT IS A SMUG FACED LIE.

Got it, message received, the man is both a good egg and worthy of our trust. Hmmmm.

Mind you, he says he didn't even read it,

That is appalling.

But what has now happened is that the public is desperate for a "common sense" party and has therefore abandoned the platitudes of the Conservatives and the preposterousness of Labour.

Agreed. And desperate for truth.
And for a party that does not have scandals and skeletons.

Some hope though, I think.

“only Ukip will take back control” but as Ukip cannot change British Law, that is not just spin, IT IS A SMUG FACED LIE.

Yes, but that is the point. They want out of Europe. They hope to achieve that and get back the control again. Full control.

"Got it, message received, the man is both a good egg and worthy of our trust. Hmmmm."

Don't shoot the messenger. I'm only saying what the people in their millions think.

"Nigel Farage Has Successfully Convinced The Public That He’s A Man Of The People

UKIP feels confident enough to attack the elite education of its critics because its supporters don’t care about Farage’s background."

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"What’s particularly impressive is that these attacks are coming from a party led by a public school-educated former City trader. But as exclusive BuzzFeed polling shows, this doesn’t matter because, despite his background, UKIP supporters and the general public alike see Farage as a genuine man of the people fighting against the establishment."

www.buzzfeed.com/jimwaterson/nigel-farage-has-successfully-convinced-the-public-that-hes

"Behave like Nigel Farage not as a public school toff, Cameron told

After Tory loss at Oxfordshire council elections, former chief Keith Mitchell points to popular appeal of Ukip leader"

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"He wrote: "I am afraid the Ukip leader has a style and a manner of speaking that connects with ordinary mortals much better than professional politicians . He is unafraid to be filmed with a pint of beer and a cigarette in his hand when -all of our media training* tells us to eschew either image.

"He also uses soundbites that appeal to Conservatives. I suspect many are unrehearsed – again something professionals are trained never to do .

"You, and George, in particular, have been portrayed as public school toffs. You have to work out how to be one of us without affectation or silly gimmicks and to speak the language of Joe public."

Mitchell said that government plans to legalise gay marriage, and the issue of Europe, did not feature much on the doorstep. But he said he detected a "perception of disconnection, of ministers being part of a metropolitan elite , far removed from day-to-day pressures".

www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/may/08/nigel-farage-toff-david-cameron

There is nothing Cameron or Miliband or Clegg can do, because they are all about as politically correct as Gordon Brown. They are all "trained", they all use "gimmicks", they are all fed "lines". Farage is real. He is not afraid to speak his mind, he is not politically correct, he is real, and that is his appeal.

The reason those qualities are important because they make him "one of us".

You have to work out how to be one of us without affectation or silly gimmicks and to speak the language of Joe public."

It's impossible for them because they are not one of us and the public knows it.

Channel 4 showed a report where they sent one of their Oxbridge types down to meet the people of Swindon. They asked an old woman in the street if she intended to vote UKIP, probably thinking that the politically correct pressure of the establishment would force her to say no, but she said "oh yes", with great enthusiasm and then went on to say "and my friend". In London. the spinners in Central Office nearly fell off their politically correct chairs. They are under no illusion, millions will be voting UKIP and it is all because of them.

'These Far Left egg-chucking protesters look like they need a good wash,' says Farage

www.express.co.uk/news/uk/473646/These-Far-Left-egg-chucking-protesters-look-like-they-need-a-good-wash-says-Farage

The only allies Cameron has got left is the Socialist Workers Party - they probably like his political correctness.

Sorry, it was Swansea, not Swindon. If given long enough, Farage will even take the socialist heartlands of Wales.

It is actually, dangerous poitically and socially, when the public are fed up with all mainstream parties, and start clutching at straws, party wise.

Claig …. Only class dinosaurs talk about “toffs” as we needed Eaton’s brains to get the county out of the huge hole Labour’s mixture of Oxbridge Marxist wonks, ex postman, ships steward and trade unionists got us into.

Farage, no spin in the Dulwich College educated ex city trader being ‘one of us’, tell me what percentage of the population has worked for an investment bank trading oil???

Spending all your time in a pub hasn’t solved wife beating yet, never mind how to run a country.

If the public rejected all decent parties en masse then that would be dangerous.

But, despite what the establishment media says, UKIP are a decent party supported by the majority of the public.

Farage has been right about nearly every major issue - the Euro, the EU, Putin etc etc

If you listen to his speeches in the EU, you will see how he has predicted the real dangers to democracy and self-determination and independence of European nations brought about by the EU and the devastating unemployment brought about by the Euro. He also stands alone in what he said about the EU and Russia. He doesn't say what a spinner advises him to say, he says what he thinks, and very often what he says is what the public thinks.

Self-determination, indpendence and giving a voice to the public (who back him because he is "one of us") is not dangerous.

Rabbitrisen ….. Ukip cannot bring the UK out of Europe, only a Conservative majority government in 2015 can/will – even if Ukip had every MEP seat in brussels they cannot change British Law – what bit of that don’t you understand – so Farage is lying to the electorate.

Still SOME people in Ukip tell the truth, it’s a shame Janice (in the link below) doesn’t post on here.
www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/feb/24/ukip-eu-exit-take-years

“Ukip will have to negotiate a withdrawal from the European Union over many years and the party still has to work out the details of how it would secure such an exit, a leading Ukip MEP candidate in May's European elections has conceded”.

“Janice Atkinson, who is number two on the party's candidate list in the South East England constituency, admitted it would be impossible just to walk away from the EU.”

“Her remarks at a public meeting in Brighton last week underline the extent to which key details of Ukip policy have yet to be developed.”

"Many years", "impossible just to wal away from the EU" ..... tell me again how Ukip's 100% lies are better than a few porkies from mainstream parties, especially those in coalition that had no option but to ditch some for the Coalition Agreement those voting Upik caused.

UkIP CANNOT GET US OUT AND IS IN THE WAY OF A REFERENDUM, how self serving can you get to claim an MEP's salary?

"Only class dinosaurs talk about “toffs”

But it was the former Tory head of Oxfordshire County Council who spoke about "toffs". He was probably a real Tory, he probably had a picture of Margaret Hilda Thatcher in his office.

I agree that the Labour lot are far worse and so does the former Tory head of Oxfordshire County Council, but we both think that Cameron and his metropolitan elite of politically correct spinners are out of touch with the people and that is why Farage has come from nowhere to be the most popular politician in Britain.