I can't link to the Sky news interview with Nigel Farage but it was terrible

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It was Kay Burley. About 3pm today. She made his case for him just now and I don't even think she meant it. In fact I think she's sure she made a good job of portraying him as a mad racist while talking to him about UKIP's poster suggesting migrant workers were stealing British jobs.

He seemed quite reasonable in the face of Burley. He didn't emerge as racist - protectionist at best - xenophobic at worst. He didn't even grab anyone round the throat or ask them if they'd have given it up a bit more their husband wouldn't have been tempted to murder prostitutes.

Then she went on about a pretty young woman they're featuring as a candidate who is from her appearance, clearly of Anglo-Asian background and demanding why UKIP didn't declare her background. Burley was the one who mentioned pretty. Not me or Farage.

Farage asked why they should and to be fair I had to agree. And also, she's a pretty woman who's used a flattering picture on her literature. Wouldn't you? If you want to know more about her views then read her literature and ask her questions, rather than the party.

Oh criminy. I had to admit that Nigel seemed reasonable. They're heading for a major result in the European elections. In my mad moments I toy with voting UKIP just because I've always lived in Tory constituencies and want to crush them now more than ever.

It could happen here. I won't do it, but the temptation is fucking strong.

I'd think it was a right-wing plot if I didn't know Burley of old and realise it was incompetence.

Any party outside of the main three is always viewed with scepticism. UKIP are right of centre so of course they're going to attract some far right wingers as it's the only viable party closest to their views.

Your post last night saying UKIP are racist because of one members views is about as accurate as saying all Lib Dems are paedophiles because of Cyril Smith.

I view the main three parties with just as much scepticism. And like you say it's the only party closest to their views. Which to me is frankly terrifying that anyone would get anywhere near those views. I just can't compute how or why anyone would want to think like that.

UKIP are right of centre so of course they're going to attract some far right wingers as it's the only viable party closest to their views

UKIP are a right wing party, not a centre right party, that is why they attract far right wingers.

Actually, IMO the reality is that UKIP are far right, but just hide behind the semi acceptable facade of being a right wing party.

Their policies and outspoken views of their representatives can easily be defined as far right.

The Daily Mash has it about right as usual:

www.thedailymash.co.uk/politics/politics-headlines/you-should-have-heard-some-of-the-other-poster-ideas-says-farage-2014042485951

You should have heard some of the other poster ideas, says Farage
24-04-14
UKIP leader Nigel Farage has rejected criticism of the partys latest poster campaign, assuring people they have absolutely no idea.
Mr Farage revealed the partys grassroots members had offered their own suggestions, adding: Sweet. Jesus.
He said: One of them suggested me in a paramilitary uniform standing on top of a mountain, with the slogan, Men of England, Touch My Destiny.
There was also the man snatching a baby from a pram, with the instruction that he look very obviously semitic.
Then there was the pile of skulls.
The person who sent that one in writes everything in capital letters and suggested we POSITION IT OUTSIDE PRIMARY SCHOOLS.
Meanwhile, another member suggested a simple photo of a fully-erect black penis, but with no slogan, insisting the image encapsulates absolutely everything we are trying to say.
He added: These arent necessarily bad ideas, but they are bold and I just dont think were quite at that stage. Perhaps next year. Well see.
Mr Farage also revealed the partys next set of posters will include a swarthy looking man in a dirty vest, a man with a Union Jack painted on his face, blowing his brains out, and an array of suspicious-looking tropical fruits with the slogan Mangoes? Papayas? Whatever Next?.

UKIP isn't far right, the BNP however is. Most UKIP members are ex-Tory.

it is an interesting question Removetheblinkers, and I thought I woudl google to understand a bit better. It seems that UKIP should be referred to as a "right wing populist party", so what does that mean..

Wikipedia says it means "Right-wing populism is a political ideology that rejects existing political consensus and usually combines laissez-faire liberalism and anti-elitism. It is considered populism because of its appeal to the "common man" as opposed to the elites." en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-wing_populism

generally speaking definitely more right wing than the usual parties. and frankly could be categorised as extreme right wing.

To get an understanding of how disturbing UKIP can be to many of us, you might care to look at the other parties mentioned in the wiki article..

Mudde (1995/2000), an extreme right party is nationalist, xenophobic, welfare chauvinist and in favour of law and order

could also use: Populist Radical Right
Far right
Populist right
Radical right

sorry to say but UKIP is therefore extreme right.
other characteristics include:

• Single issue (immigration). Extreme right parties’ success depends one single factor – reactions against immigration
• Extreme right parties’ success is not dependent on any issue or attitudes – just resentment against the political establishment
• Traditional social structures, especially class and religion, are breaking down. As a result, individuals lose a sense of belonging and turn to ethnic nationalism, which gives a renewed sense of self-esteem.
• Extreme right parties’ success is caused by a backlash against post-materialism – environmentalism, cosmopolitanism, new left politics, feminism et c.

etc etc
sounds pretttty familiar

It kind of seems to me that many people supporting UKIP don't believe themselves to be extreme right. which is why they don't like it when this is brought up.

But for sure UKIP falls in that zone, which is why other people are sooo concerned about it! It's not because we have blinkers on, if anything it's because we can see what's happening!

Amen Mama. If you are going to support a selfish, entitled (to nick a wrongly used MN phrase) and racist party at least understand all of this as it's what you stand for too.

If this was a man we'd all be saying LTB...

UKIP isn't far right

My point was, they are not centre right.

It kind of seems to me that many people supporting UKIP don't believe themselves to be extreme right. which is why they don't like it when this is brought up

Absolutely.

Eyebrows, if you keep calling UKIP racist then it surely must be true. It'd be interesting to hear the opinion of races other than the white professionally offended people like yourself.

I haven't seen any black or Asian protests at UKIP events, unlike with the BNP. All the articles I've seen calling UKIP racist are from middle class white liberals!

Remove, so you dont mind if they are 'nationalist, xenophobic, welfare chauvinist and in favour of law and order'?

and extreme right?

I think the racism thing is becoming a distraction from the many levels of bigotry shown by UKIP.

and lets not forget a lot of xenophobia has its roots in racism...

Xpat, feel free to quote which of UKIPs policies fit in with your argument, rather than just coming back round to racism every time.

AmberLeaf on another thread pointed out the local social housing priority was racist because it might affect a small number of black British people, but the affect on the white british people doesn't count as racism only works one way in Britain.
If the policy had said social housing will favour local people but black and Asian British would be given priority then she would've been happy, because there's no such thing as racism against white people in Britain.

I personally think the policy is fair and not racist and means those with a stronger local connection get priority. Bearing in mind black people have been living here since the 16th century I think they'll have a strong local connection anyway.

let me break it down. You support 'look out for ourselves' I support 'look out for everyone.'

Rue the day you should ever need help from society seeing as you want to squash the NHS. You want to separate us from Europe because of some kind of supremacy power-struggle and not wanting to take in any immigrants. You want a flat-rate tax so you can keep the extreme divide between rich and poor and make it worse. Again increasing this gap by using grammar schools. You want to increase the capability of the army and lessen foreign aid. You want to wreck the earth for all it's worth - hopefully you don't have any children that will suffer because of the natural disasters you helped speed up.

...UKIP also argue that multiculturalism has "split" British society...

when did I come back to racism every time? I said xenophobia has its roots in racism.

I think I said there were many levels of bigotry. EG being against gay marriage, is IMHO bigotry.

plus what Eyebrows said.

make no mistake, if you vote for UKIP you are voting for an extreme right party.

AmberLeaf on another thread pointed out the local social housing priority was racist because it might affect a small number of black British people

No, it would effect the majority of british born black/mixed race people, should they need to apply for social housing.

but the affect on the white british people doesn't count as racism only works one way in Britain

The effect on white british people would be minimal and yes, racism does only work one way in Britain.

If the policy had said social housing will favour local people but black and Asian British would be given priority then she would've been happy, because there's no such thing as racism against white people in Britain

Nowhere have I said black and Asian british people should be given priority for social housing. Don't tell lies. I don't think that should happen at all, IMO social housing allocation for British born people should be based on need not race, which is pretty much how it has always been.

Bearing in mind black people have been living here since the 16th century I think they'll have a strong local connection anyway

The majority of immigration from the caribbean and africa happened last century after WW2.

It'd be interesting to hear the opinion of races other than the white professionally offended people like yourself

Do you think everyone on mumsnet is white?

I haven't seen any black or Asian protests at UKIP events, unlike with the BNP. All the articles I've seen calling UKIP racist are from middle class white liberals!

Have you attended all UKIP events? You should probably expand your reading material too.

Do you think that you not having seen any black or asian people protesting against UKIP, means that black and asian people aren't bothered by them, don't dislike them and aren't actively opposing them?

I think I said there were many levels of bigotry. EG being against gay marriage, is IMHO bigotry

Yes, there is more to it than racism, UKIP are guilty of 'othering' anyone who isn't straight, able bodied or a WASP

Straight, able bodied WASPs are who they believe are superior and who they are representing.

rather than just coming back round to racism every time

There has been a lot of discussion about UKIP and racism, but most of it, has been on either of the other two threads running currently, which have 'racist' in the thread title.

Meanwhile:

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/04/30/ukip-silliest-election-leaflets_n_3184845.html

good grief. EG:

• One leaflet posted through letterboxes in support of Ukip describes "ordinary people" and "real people" who are against gay marriage.
• UKIP’s 2010 manifesto promised to invest in three high-speed rail lines.. But now the party is staking its reputation on opposing HS2, which will run through Tory heartland areas.
• A leaflet posted through letterboxes in Staffordshire, in support of Ukip candidate David Nixon’s leaflet was illustrated a cartoon of a young boy holding a placard which said: “Rights for Bi-Sexuals We demand the right to marry With (at least) one man and one woman.”
• In 2010, Ukip issued a leaflet in Lancaster which compared immigration in the UK to the plight of Native Americans.

and: www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/04/25/ukip-poster-foreign_n_5211024.html?ref=topbar

Ukip's now infamous poster of an unemployed British builder is actually a picture of a foreign worker, it has been revealed.

Social media users have identified the man in the Ukip poster as Irish actor Dave O'Rourke.

O'Rourke's Star Now profile lists him as "originally from Dublin, living in the UK 10 years".

I think the point has been successfully made.

I just looked up 'professionally offended.' I guess that's what The Sun, The Daily Mail and Mirror call clever people? ;)

That's your interpretation of which you're entitled! To conclude my contributions this thread I'll just say Cyril Smith..... I'm not voting for the paedophile party!

Cyril smith is an ambomination, as was any potential cover up. But the difference with the liberals and UKIP is that the liberals don't call for policies in favour of paedophilia.

Meanwhile in UKIP the bigots are calling for discriminatory policies - like against gay marriage.

Plus I would be surprised if there were no paedophiles in UKIP purely because it's a statistical probability.

All I think you've shown remove is that you have no real arguments, just blinkers.