Britain NOT a “Christian county” – since when??

[Isitmebut]

Generally speaking, when taking a snapshot of any country there are several nation traits most people just know about us that is made up of from a rich history and traditions, and Britain is no exception.

We have a monarchy, we speak English, our currency is the English Pound Sterling (lol), we still eat fish and chips out of a newspaper - and if you asked what our religion is, whether they knew about Henry VIII’s spat with the Pope or not, without the need to be specific they’d say we were ‘Christian’ – ask anyone.

Well not everyone, and certainly not the 55 ‘public figures’ that have accused Cameron for daring to point out the bleedin’ obvious, after nearly 1,000 years of international and domestic wars/conflicts, fought in the name of a ‘Christian’ religion – who accuse him of “mischaracterising” Britain, “fostering alienation” and argue that members of an elected government have no right to “actively prioritise” religion or any particular faith. Wh-at????

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/10777270/David-Cameron-fuelling-sectarian-division-by-bringing-God-into-politics.html

They argued that, apart from a “narrow constitutional sense”, there is no evidence to justify describing Britain as Christian, mainly because the 2011 Census saw a dramatic fall in those tick boxing ‘Christian’, wh-at???

Forgetting God for a moment, after several years now most citizens still won’t acknowledge that we have a honking great budget deficit and national debt - and that there has been the greatest recession since the 1930’s, yet there is far more historical and current evidence out there that it all exists - so don’t use dumb statistics of a Census that included those ticking ‘Jedi’ as a religion, to diss 1,000 years of our history.

Now I have no cares for looking into (and then trying to label) their political motives, but it seems rather ‘Leftie’ to me – and far too similar to this little bit of ‘social engineering’, designed to QUOTE “rub the Right’s nose in diversity”, by the last government.

“Labour wanted mass immigration to make UK more multicultural, says former adviser”

“Labour threw open Britain's borders to mass immigration to help socially engineer a "truly multicultural" country, a former Government adviser has revealed.”

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/6418456/Labour-wanted-mass-immigration-to-make-UK-more-multicultural-says-former-adviser.html

So is this YET MORE ‘nose rubbing’ by Lefties into Righties in the name of ‘diversity’, as Cameron was not ‘doing down’ the other religions, who themselves would resist any notion that their OWN countries were secular, so rightly acknowledge that the UK is a ‘Christian’ country.

“David Cameron Christianity claim backed by religious groups”
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-27105023

Religious groups have backed Prime Minister David Cameron's assertion Britain is "a Christian country".

Hindu Council UK said it was "very comfortable" with the description. The Muslim Council of Britain said the UK was a largely Christian country.

So based on our proud history as an ethnic religiously TOLERENT nation and the role that ‘The Protestant Work Ethic’ had on our prosperity, who is to TELL OUR GOVERNMENT that we are NOT a ‘Christian’ country, or indeed that Christianity still has a role in today’s society - to help solve some of the work ethic problems that have grown within our society, now all the money has gone?

“Niall Ferguson - Killer 'apps': the ideas that propelled the west to world domination (see list at bottom of this link)”
www.theguardian.com/books/2011/feb/20/niall-ferguson-interview-civilization

1. Work ethic: As Max Weber noted a century ago, Protestantism was a form of Christianity that encouraged hard work (and just as importantly, Ferguson adds, reading and saving). It isn't a coincidence, he says, that the decline of religion in Europe has led to Europeans becoming the "idlers of the world" (while the more religious US has remained hard-working). Interestingly, Ferguson also argues that China's embrace of hard work is partly because of the spread there of Protestantism.

We had 13-years of ‘Lefties’ running our government, their Quangocracy, most of our media, our education system, the police etc etc etc.

So (from a lapsed CoE ‘weddings and funerals only’ citizen) god help us as a monarchy, an individual State with proud traditions/rights and our prosperity, when they get back in and finish off the destructive job to the British way of life they started in 1997, and left as a work in progress, in 2010.

Communist/atheist?

God or anyone help us.

Thurlow....I'd argue that a country's faith is deeper than the 2011 Census, especially as mentioned in that opening post, not only did it define much of what we are today, including tolerance of others faiths who often don't accept 'non believers' in their - but arguably the lack of the old Protestant Work Ethic in todays society, is a problem within todays society.

OP you think DC is communist/athesit?

My point being we are Christian

who's the we? the 59% of the christians that said so on the census?

strange how you use a generic term we to describe an entire nation based on what you want to think and not facts, which are that 41% of the we are not christian.

Have you heard of the expression speak for yourself? please try and think about who you are speaking for before you in compass people that are not with you on this and don't want to be included. Are quite happy to be left alone to get on with their own thing

How on earth you can talk about tolerance and wars in the same post I have no idea - wars are not started due to tolerance

So... all non protestants are lazy then. Have you told the pope this?

But as Prime Minister whether you’re a communist/atheist or not, in my opinion it is the responsibility of the position to ensure our faith is protected, especially if in not doing so it emboldens other more radicalized faiths to ‘try it on’.

not suspicious then of radicalised faiths..thats so tolerant

When criticising Cameron’s motives for defending this country’s, rather than the individuals withins faith one has to ask the question, would a Prime Minister with Marxist leftie roots, with leftie supporters, support the leftie critics writing the ‘open letter’ that generally want to assimilate this country and it’s traditions into some European superstate - or speak up for Christianity within this country as Cameron has – I mean its not as though the ‘oppose everything’ Labour/Miliband man won’t say anything to get re elected, and then do the opposite?

Even his party are asking what he stands for, rather than what he opposes.

Just saying.lol

Hello CorusKate….re your previous posts, on this please don’t worry about me, I’m really not used to it, there are quite a few other posters here who can’t string five words together (including profanities) that are in more need of your literary help, so best concentrate on them – I’ll worry about my input on subjects and look forward to learning from yours.

FYI I do not think swearing on posts is necessary as no matter how ignorant a person is, it adds nothing to the debate – and there are numerous examples of my posts, especially on the ‘Politics’ board, that proves I can qualify my opinions on subjects that I feel very strongly about, with words other than the c-bomb (sorry, maybe it’s a generation thing), “vile” or “scum”.

But I have to admit that if faced with profanities and/or someone being rude to me because they don’t want me to express my opinion, I go back to my roots and unfortunately, as you noticed, I can be dragged down to others levels and give as good as I get whether using swear words or not.

It’s not big, I’m not even overly offended, but I revert to ‘do unto others’, whereas I should just turn the other cheek as other posters can see what they are doing, so rest assured I’ll work on that.

P.S. Nice to see you contributing to the actual subject.lol

ivykaty44...I never said that I wasn't suspicious of radicalized faiths, but as I've said I'm not overly Christian in my beliefs, but I know that I can't go to Muslim or other countries and tell them they are NOT a country of Muslim or ant other faith - can you name one that I could?????????????????????????

I'm also confused by the whole 'leftie' issue. Does being left-wing mean you are automatically not religious, and being right-wing mean you are religious?

That's what I'm struggling with re your posts here - the confusion of debates about whether the UK is still a Christian country, what David Cameron has said, immigration/multiculturalism, and also 'lefties'/Marxists/communists Which issue in particular are you after discussing here? They don't all go together.

You can be a traditional Tory voter (i.e. not a "leftie") who supports multiculturalism, continued immigration, further 'assimilation' into a European 'superstate', and and an atheist.

You can also have morals, tolerance, charity and a work ethic whilst being an atheist.

I love these threads. People who shriek and bluster in defence of the superiority of their religion have helped make this country what it is today - mostly atheist.

Glancing through the authors of the open letter, and the response on here, I can be forgiven for confusing religion with politics - as whatever Cameron would have said, clearly would have been wrong, despite his right to say it, to those who despair at the erosian of what it meant to be British, for cynical political ends.

For that we have 13-years of Labour to thank, and come 2015 they'll be back in to finish the job.

Clearly everyone has their own opinion on THIS subject for whatever motives, I've given mine, so go with your god, or not.

Can you not be British but also not a Christian?

Only Tories can be Christian because Labour represent the anti-christ.

And it shall come to pass that a man will arise and his name will be Milliband.

Why do we worry you?

Fuck it. Does that mean I have to vote Labour? I've never voted Labour. I've obviously missed the whole atheist-Marxist conspiracy. I'll go and change my colours now...

"I'd say don't throw the baby out with the bath water. I don't think that many people are atheists, maybe agnostic. Why can't we be a Christian country that is tolerant? Frankly people who do not believe in anything spiritual/ god worry me a bit. If you strip down the Christian faith to its basic principles it's really quite a lovely and worthwhile religion promoting love and good ethical principles. Better than the sheer greedy materialism that a lot of people feel forced to be part of."

Why do we worry you?

I only just noticed that, asator. Can you explain any more, threetimesfive? What's worrying about people who don't believe in anything spiritual?

Isitmrbut, sorry the sarcasim was lost on the screen and your post did show very clearly your suspicion and intolerance

IvyKaty44 …I worked within an international/multi cultural environment/companies for over 30-years and travelled the world, spending at least 10-years frequently visiting the Middle East and debating many issues with very senior people, including religion and counted them as friends – but fast forward, if anyone doubts that there are Islamists to be suspicious of, they have their own head firmly wedged up their bums..

FYI MY PROBLEM, or intolerance, is with the Labour Party and their policies, as it takes a special type of incompetence to take the British economy in 1997 and turn it into a financial and social basket case, especially when they had the best decade in a century to make social changes for the better.

You see it matters not what any little people say on here or elsewhere, as Cameron said and no one here has argued against (despite posters reading what they want to) we are historically and remain a Christian country with EVERYONE free within to have their own religions and worship their own gods in peace – end of story.

Maybe when Labour gets in it will be a different story, they will trade away our history without a second thought.

Before 1997 we had a UNITED KINGDOM, but in that little devolution experiment they thought they could control for votes/seats in Scotland, for the first time in 400 or so years, there could be a break up.

Before 1997 we had an EU, but to be seen as good little Europeans within the EU experiment, we sold around half our gold to buy the new Euro currency and accepted up the rear end ANYTHING politically the EU wanted from us, including Blair giving back most of the Thatcher Rebate, looking to individually get on the EU top table in some sinecure with huge prestige.

Before 1997 immigration was controlled, with no “diversity” experiments where “the rights noses had to be rubbed in” and twice as many general election NON EU citizens are waved into the UK under the cover of membership of the EU, for political gain, despite the shortage of jobs and homes for the then indigenous multi-cultural citizens.

After 2015, no doubt if the EU decides everyone should be catholic, or worship France’s Hollande as some socialist god, that has seen the capitalist light, Labour would sign up for that as well.

I reiterate, if there were votes or power in it Labour would sacrifice anything of what Britain valued over centuries, tomorrow.

Again I've stated my case, this post and others are self explanatory to the issues involved, not about me, but good deflection, but it won't work.