Oscar Pistorius Trial Part 5

[Roussette]

Time for a new thread - Part 4 nearly full

Animation, I think the prosecution know it doesn't matter about the argument because it's murder anyway, whether OP thought it was an intruder or Reeva. Apparently, to be murder, there's no need to establish motive, just intent.

I was imagining OP being found not guilty and been allowed to still own guns - to carry on as gung ho as he likes ..

Thanks Hillwalker. It would be good to know who he intended to kill though.

Rousette he hasn't had a whole year though- he gave his case (when he didn't have to) at the bail application. Yes there were holes in that that could have been thought about and embellished but the bars bones of it were there quite early on

Bare not bars!

homebythesea OK fair enuf!

animation that scenario has also crossed my mind

I agree, Animation. I would love to know what actually happened!

'My disappointment is (if true)the other neighbours rumoured to have seen OP at his door just after 6pm when he got home was heard and seen opening his door and loudly telling her to leave his house and twice more later that evening and yet have said nothing for fear of being on stand and testifying. Again this is just rumours in his suburb'

How can this be true if Reeva arrived at the house first, I thought that was in the evidence presented very early on?

This thread has bizarrely slipped into massive speculation.

How can this be true if Reeva arrived at the house first, I thought that was in the evidence presented very early on

As I said, it is just that rumours. But didn't OP arrive soon after?

I suppose this thread has to be speculation as the gist of the case(intent to kill) is speculation

What's the story about whether he was wearing prosthetic legs when he used the cricket bat to hit the door?

"This thread has bizarrely slipped into massive speculation."

Well perhaps a little more free and easy since Louise, Bonnie and Springy seem to have gone on an Easter break.

Stackalee, he gets home, she's there, unwanted, (she'd been staying a few days) he opens the door to make her leave. Speculation but Zulus post could be accurate.

Ok, I can see how that is a possibility.

I just find the very long posts about what they may have argued about, the porn accusations and so on quite strange when the case isn't based upon an argument have happened.

Am ALS still confused abut the phone thing and may be need to go back and look at the evidence presented in court re how many phones, where phones were etc.

I was sure pesto riots said that he tried to call for help on RS's phone but couldn't access it because he didn't know the pass code buti would have thought that a phone that had been dropped in thetoilet would have been in-usable anyway and why would he fish a phone out of a bloody toilet bowl when he had two others nearby? Unles she had two phones?

I know that the horrible twitter account has said that OP was trying to end things with RS but wasn't aware. Of that until now and definitely not from evidence presented in court.

As far as speculation, aren't we just all thinking out loud? This whole thing is so bizarrely awful and it's just us trying to make sense of it all (not that we can).

Sorry if I sound rude.

Ah, lightening the tone...

Pesto riots

Love predictive text sneakiness!

I enjoyed the typo "pesto riots".
Sorry - as you were

Xpost jill

Who said the phone was in the toilet? First I have heard.

I thought there was confusion as they thought there was 2 phones but actually it was a iPhone cover on the floor....

I do believe there were texts/watsapps made that afternoon discussing about staying in as Reeva was originally going out with friends but they decided to instead have an evening together staying in?

The rumour regarding him yelling at her to leave when he arrived home doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Why would she not just leave, why would she stay and argue with him all night. It seems if they were arguing when he arrived home there would have been some sort of phone or text message to indicate what caused the problem. Why would he just come home screaming at her to get out of the house for no reason. How could she had done something to piss him off if they weren't even together yet? She had a car she could have escaped at the time if she wanted to, Especially if he was telling her to get out of my house.

As for the cell phone in the bathroom. I found this on a court stenographer feed:

OP: I noticed her cellphone had fallen into the toilet. I could see her arm was hanging and broken

OP: I pulled her phone out of the toilet but I couldn't unlock it as it had a password on. I ran to the bedroom to get my cellphone and phoned Mr. Stander.

I think it was just instinct to pull the phone out of the toilet when he saw it as he needed to get his hands on a phone ASAP to call for help. I have thought about it and some people say maybe he dropped the phone in the toilet to tamper with evidence. But if he dropped the phone in the toilet to mess up the phone why not leave it in the toilet to get it more damaged. Better yet why say it was in the toilet in the first place? He could have just said he dropped it in the toilet while fumbling to call for help. I just can't see any reason to mention the phone being in the toilet if if wasn't true. He couldn't have messed with the phone as it was password protected. I doubt there were any other phones in the bathroom as he had to go to his bedroom to get his phone to call for help. I am not sure why all the phones were in the bathroom. I know he had an old phone that the police checked and indicated it hadn't been used in months. It may have been another police moving stuff around.

Op is guilty of murder due to the fact that instead of getting to a place of safety, he went on the attack and killed reeva.

It struck me if he was telling her to get out of the house - that on some level he may have rationalised in his head that she was an intruder - and shouldn't be there.

As for phones in the toilet - I'm still confused. Did she just have her phone or his as well?

Wow MummyMoss1 that is an incredible post. You have pretty much hit the nail on the head for me. I have said it before that I think it was a horrible, horrible accident. I listen to the testimony of neighbors of which are all over the board . I haven't heard anyone say with any kind of certainty there was an argument. I read a stenographer feed that indicated that the neighbors on either side of OP heard crying but not screaming. I feel they would probably have the most accurate ear witness testimony. However, eye and ear witness testimony is very unreliable and can not base any kind of conclusions from that evidence. I have read the VF article and although interesting I find very little credence in the story since the words come from the mouth of Detective Hilton Botha who is currently charged with the attempted murder of 7 people by firing his gun at a minibus full of people. His attempt to blame OP for him losing his job is a clear example of someone not taking responsibility for their actions. Why is it that the words of this man are so much easier to belove than OP's? Rather than read any more of that type stuff I decided to see if I could make an unbiased opinion of OP's character by listening to videos of interviews,, reading about his charity work and his general effect on people over the years.. I have also read OP's twitter feeds from several months before the shooting up until Feb 13 and find nothing to indicate he is anything other than a kind, happy person who loved life, his family and his friends. I think it is a very insightful read into the real OP.

The pathologist stuff is important

They paid to have him there at the autopsy..v rare in SA
There has been a separating or it is clear that he would be front and centre

The defence spokesperson who says he's still part of the team is a lawyer. He may have a compromise agreement but it is clear that his findings no longer suit the defence's version of events...or he won't entertain a massage