Oscar Pistorius Trial Part 5

[Roussette]

Time for a new thread - Part 4 nearly full

Yes, and I found the reading out of her private Valentines card in court absolutely horrible. We all know the motive for that don't we .. look how much she loves me, how could I have intended to kill her. Rather see through to me, I'm afraid.

But that is the job if the defence isn't it? To show that they were in a happy relationship. You can't expect the defence not to use that.

But the card only shows her feelings for him, not his for her.

I suppose so, Nerf. I just imagine valentines cards are private between a couple but I suppose they have to do that. Agree HillWalker, we are maybe not so sure of his feelings for her, and although that card might show she loved him, it doesn't answer any questions of what he actually did that night.

I think the blethering about how much he loved Ms Steenkamp was also possibly a red herring and good device of the defence
There is no evidence that he loved her

Also they had been going out for only three months and during that time she had been overseas filming
Most of there relationship was carried out over text and whatsapp
Their relationship was only a few weeks old. Why either of them loved the other is amazing given the timeframe

The problem with the Valentines Card was that he said he waited and opened it on her birthday

After all the blubbing and vomiting previously, I was surprised how unemotional he was when reading out the Valentine message.

I was interested to read about his crying
During the bail hearing there was talk of him sobbing loudly but his face being completely devoid of tears
They had a psychologist on stating that she found his emotional displays odd at the least

I can't say. It feels wrong but that doesn't mean that it is...

There are photos of him absolutely dripping with tears and snot from the current trial.

And interestingly he said initially he didn't cry when his mum died.

He is crying for himself and the consequences he faces if found guilty.

I keep thinking about how emotional he got when he said that he shouted "Get the fuck out of here!" It took a while for him to get the words out. I did think the same as Nel about why that might be!

It just dawned on me. Surely, if there was no contact between Oscar and Reeva when she apparently went to the toilet without him knowing. When he would have been shouting to get out the house, she would have known he wouldn't have seen her and shouted to him it was her? Surely?

With regards to the card, she had posted on twitter how excited she was. Surely he would have known that and if true he was going to get her a gift the following day; he would have at least had a card for her in the morning. We don't celebrate Valentine's Day now that we have been married 5 years but for the first 2/3 together we both felt it important.

But he didn't know she was going to stay the night of the 13th. She only decided that at about 10 pm. So he could have been planning to buy a card during the day on the 14th to give her in the evening. Don't get me wrong, I think he's lying about pretty much everything. Just saying what he could say in his defence.

I know someone who is heavily into martial arts and I was having a conversation with them the other day about this trial. This person is told again and again during training that the techniques he uses are dangerous and with the learning comes great responsibility at all times. He is specifically told that the first option when there is trouble is to walk away and only to fight if there is literally no other choice available to him. That's what training is about. We chatted about the case and we both said that the same kind of responsibility and maturity comes with those who have been trained on firearms and who choose to carry a gun, namely OP. He will know this surely.

He could have walked away but he chose not to. Now whether that ends up as a murder or manslaughter charge, I have no idea, but either way he is going to get charged with something, I hope. Otherwise, what sort of message is being sent out to the people of SA?

Was his cricket bat kept under the pillow on Reeva's side of bed?

It was by the bedroom door, Noddy.

Hillwalker they agreed she would stay earlier that evening; she texted her 'other Dad' around 8pm to say she was staying over. I think he intended to shop on 14th, sometimes you just are disorganised enough when plans change that you do things on the day. Maybe he also feels crap because he didn't have anything for her at that point. We don't know.

I too hope he is charged and sentenced with something. I (mostly) do believe his story .I think he has made up bits to try and make it more credible and fit with witness statements, things he has read in the media etc. However I do think he is reckless and has a disregard for some of societies rules and values. I think his fathers statement about whites needing guns as the ANC are useless is a value which deep down he shares. I think he feels that when he is at home (in south africa) he can do as he pleases. up till now this has largely been true and he has got away with alot and escaped death in the past.. That night as he shot at the door I dont think he thought of the consequences. (not that he didn't know or understand the possible consequences). I dont even really think he thought of reeva at all till it was all to late all this wanting to protect her is i think nonsense. Even immediatly after killing her I think he thought he could make it go away.
Holding a memorial service and ensuring the press knew seemed totally crass. hiring image protectors.
I do find myself praying that the truth comes out whatever that is. but whatever the truth is i think he should has a custodial sentence.

different topic. jeans outside window very very odd! off the wall explanation. cleaning teeth sprayed herself with water, hung them out of window to dry. got up to go to loo in night, remembered, went to bring them in and they dropped out of window as window dropped fully open. No thast is too off the wall!

Roussette having a martial arts background, I agree, but has it been clarified in court what training is undertaken to become a gun owner, or is it fairly 'relaxed' and not reiterated over and over again? I think OP's answers in his test were just that - answers, the right answers - but reality can present a different scenario and those right answers can go right out of the window. If his story is correct.

Mary where did the jeans explanation originate? Was that during his time on the stand?

sorry that was me. that is just the only explanation i could come up with for jeans outside bathroom window!!!

Jill - I read somewhere that his firearms training was very thorough. Now whether that was part of the trial or just something I read somewhere, I am none too sure. In fact on reflection I think it came up in trial somewhere - firearms/safety/training etc. But he is young and he is stupid and he is reckless whatever his intentions were and I suppose firearms safety went out the window.

Interestingly, reading some of the SA press, he doesn't have a lot of sympathy over there. And this is interesting - here. Judge Masipa sounds a remarkable woman.

What about the ammo in the safe that wasn't for a licensed gun? OP says he was safekeeping it for his father (who he doesn't have a good relationship with????)
I think he also had unlicensed guns too.
I think it has been proven that he is a gun nut TBH. The world was his personal wild west!

You know the dad he testified to having no contact with? when questioned about the bullets in his safe

He called him on the night after he shot and killed Ms Steenkamp.

Also he claims that he didn't have any of his phones to be able to contact people but a> he didn't hand in his last phone until 10 days after the incident
B> would no one else in his family have had his father's number?

I think he has a problem with the truth at times and it is detrimental to allowing me to believe him when he needs me to suspend disbelief