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Oscar Pistorius trial part 3

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JillJ72 · 12/04/2014 19:08

Hiya,

Thread 1 here - www.mumsnet.com/Talk/in_the_news/2022610-Oscar-Pistorius-trial

Thread 2 here - www.mumsnet.com/Talk/in_the_news/2049921-Oscar-Pistorius-trial-part-2

To continue our respectful, open, interesting discussion.

OP posts:
BeCool · 14/04/2014 13:38

Questions for OP:

Why were the fans on outside?

If OP was shouting to Reeva to call the police, and screaming to intruders to leave etc why did Reeva NOT call the police? She had her phone with her, she had locked herself in the toilet, she was supposedly afraid, we know her to be a woman of action - so why didn't she call the police?

msrisotto · 14/04/2014 13:38

He's crying again. Funny how it seems to happen when Nel is picking holes in his story.

Bonnielangbird · 14/04/2014 13:40

Would it have been possible for her to have run outside and if so, did he check first? If that was even a remote possibility, would you break down the door if there was a chance an intruder was in there, pretending to be dead or injured? Unless you knew whoever was behind there had no chance.

LookingThroughTheFog · 14/04/2014 13:40

I think I disagree about the door thing. I think (armchair opinion alert) that if he thought it was an intruder, he'd last told Reeva to call the police, then his thoughts would continue along Reeva being somewhere calling the police and the intruder in the bathroom.

I think, even with the fear and dread that it might be Reeva, a person would be so desperate to find her alive somewhere, that he'd go looking. He'd at least go to the door and yell, hoping for an answer, but he didn't.

I think the ladder is a red herring - how would she have got out and past him.

AmIthatSpringy · 14/04/2014 13:40

Were lights on at this stage. Maybe he could see that the bat was undisturbed at the door. If he could see the door that is

BeCool · 14/04/2014 13:41

I was listening to OP's testimony of last week on TV over the weekend - when he talks about breaking the panel off the door, he never mentions seeing Reeva lying there injured/dying.

He talks about getting the key so he can open the door - but he must at this point be seeing her and possibly talking to her. Why wouldn't you mention this?

Again, maybe I have missed something but it does seem very strange that he doesn't talk about seeing her when he breaks the panel off the toilet door.

msrisotto · 14/04/2014 13:41

He's fucking it up. Changing his story, classic liar.

BeCool · 14/04/2014 13:43

wasn't the bedroom door locked & needing a key to open it?

Bonnielangbird · 14/04/2014 13:43

I think he is emotional because he knows that what really happened IS incredibly far-fetched and he knows how close this is all going to be I still agree with this voice. And if someone is going to make up a story, it is far more likely that it would be more plausible just to be on the safe side.

But hopping on and off the fence.

StackALee · 14/04/2014 13:44

Are there witnesses who say that he called for help from the balcony?

Nerf · 14/04/2014 13:44

I seem to be a lot less picky than Nel - people say stuff under stress and I just think the word 'checked' is one he was using recently and just said it by mistake. Can't really see the meaning of checking the balcony v shouting from the balcony.

SauceForTheGander · 14/04/2014 13:45

msrisotto it's quite painful to listen to now. His brother's head is hanging down too.

If you went back to the bedroom to check for agree a why did the thought that she'd escaped by the bedroom door never occur to you - Nel (paraphrase)

She was shot in the right hip because she was facing the door and talking to him / listening to him through the door.

SauceForTheGander · 14/04/2014 13:46

agree a is Reeva - daft phone

StackALee · 14/04/2014 13:47

I wonder if Nel is going to bring the timings into this?
To show that the point were OP started to construct his story was when he ran to balcony to 'call for help' and that there may have been some passing of time between the shooting and the calling for help?

StackALee · 14/04/2014 13:49

I think if OP had any sense he would say he is getting emotional because he feels under pressure and is innocent and feels like the prosecution is making him to look guilty when he is not.

Has he ever said 'I am innocent', 'this is not fair' etc?

GladitsnotJustMe · 14/04/2014 13:50

Can't really see the meaning of checking the balcony v shouting from the balcony. I think Nel's point there was that OP originally said he had shouted from the balcony.

Then when Nel criticized him for not 'checking' outside the bedroom door, OP said he "checked" the balcony. Nel suggested he changed his wording to fit with Nels criticism of not checking everywhere.

Nel is a picky, pedantic man, that's for sure!!

One thing that strikes me is that OP often says "You would have checked the curtains, I would have done this, you would have done that". Rather than "I did this, I checked that"

Is this a classic way of lying, without directly saying you did something you say you 'would' have done something... making it a bit less of a lie?

Bonnielangbird · 14/04/2014 13:50

She was shot in the right hip because she was facing the door and talking to him / listening to him through the door

Possibly. Or was hiding from the intruders OP was shouting about. Would she have known that he thought she was one. This was discussed ages ago but I can't remember what the conclusion was.

So if you were hiding from intruders, I guess the question is would you stand by the door listening to what was happening. I don't know.

BeCool · 14/04/2014 13:51

He can hardly say "I'm innocent" though can he?

msrisotto · 14/04/2014 13:51

God I'm supposed to be working but can't stop watching.

Nerf · 14/04/2014 13:52

I'm not sure. I think he's trying to say what he thinks he would have done but he can't remember. I do think Nel is just trying to get him to crack but I'm not sure if that would be valid or just giving in/ saying the wrong thing under pressure.

msrisotto · 14/04/2014 13:52

Nel's being picky because you catch out liars by catching them changing their story. Their story changes, because it didn't really happen.

BeCool · 14/04/2014 13:53

or Reeva was "hiding from intruders" and had her phone with her, why didn't she call the police or security?

OneStepCloser · 14/04/2014 13:53

I would try to make myself as small as possible and wedge in down the side of the toilet, I wouldnt stand up against the door especially if I thought there was an intruder, probably armed as is the case in SA, outside the door. But I totally accept others would do different.

Is there a window in the toilet?

Roussette · 14/04/2014 13:53

One thing that strikes me now on this - why the HECK didn't he turn the light on? All this crucial stuff is so say being done in the pitch black and wouldn't you/me/anyone just turn on the light to try and find a clue as to where Reeva was?

Bonnielangbird · 14/04/2014 13:54

stack I agree that seems odd. I do think by now I would have said something along the lines of "please can someone just believe me, I am telling the truth however hard it might be for people to believe". If I was telling the truth of course because the frustration and despair would be immense. Or would he have been told to not make any sort of outburst like that?