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Oscar Pistorius trial part 2

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JillJ72 · 09/04/2014 21:36

To continue from previous thread

OP posts:
OneStepCloser · 10/04/2014 13:11

Well yes, but if your nipping in for a quick wee, why bother? A wee takes seconds.

OneStepCloser · 10/04/2014 13:13

Bit he heard her either opening it or shutting it which is why he thought there were intruders, perhaps she was trying to shut it?

AnyaKnowIt · 10/04/2014 13:14

But she didn't have a wee thought. Her bladder wad empty and nothing in the toilet. So why was she in there?

OneStepCloser · 10/04/2014 13:15

But she had been to the toilet, I think she was shot after wasn't she?

LouiseBrooks · 10/04/2014 13:15

Animation I'm not sure how many times I need to deny being from MNHQ. Forgive me if I misunderstood you but I certainly had the impression that you thought he'd killed Reeva deliberately. Since I don't , I am not going to pretend otherwise but maybe I'd just better keep quiet.

StampyIsMyBoyfriend · 10/04/2014 13:16

I won't be surprised if Nel provides a photograph of samantha taylor, with op, at the house he doesn't remember being at.

SirChenjin · 10/04/2014 13:16

No - if I've understood correctly it was the sound of the window opening that alerted OP to the fact that someone was in the toilet

Although it might have been hot and stuffy you would only be in there for a minute weeing. Why would you go to the bother of opening a window if you weren't planning to be in there for a while? Also - if you'd opened it before you wee'ed does it affects the timeline?

OneStepCloser · 10/04/2014 13:17

Yes, so it was opened and he went through and shot out, so she opened it after going to the toilet?

Redcoats · 10/04/2014 13:18

The more he talks the worse it sounds.

He should have held his hand up to at least one of the other charges, probably the restaurant shooting. 'It went off all by itself' sounds ridiculous.
What's all the business about his dad not signing a statement? Does that mean that he's refusing to say the ammunition was his? No wonder they're not talking!

Redcoats · 10/04/2014 13:20

He says He heard the window opening, then heard the door shutting.

LouiseBrooks · 10/04/2014 13:20

"Can anyone clarify this for me - Reeva went to the toilet and opened the window while in there"

The window was in the bathroom, not the loo which is a cubicle within the bathroom. So she supposedly went to the bathroom, opened the window then went into the loo.

JillJ72 · 10/04/2014 13:22

Notwithstanding the ??! in his story, could she have gone to the loo, come out and opened the window, then heard him - hearing her - him then screaming, then gone back into the loo to hide?

OP posts:
StackALee · 10/04/2014 13:22

"No - if I've understood correctly it was the sound of the window opening that alerted OP to the fact that someone was in the toilet"

that's what he said happened, doesn't mean it's true. Maybe he didn't hear a window at all.

LouiseBrooks · 10/04/2014 13:22

I thought that the estrangement with his father happened long before all of this? It seems odd his father not signing a statement although he has, apparently, agreed that the ammo is his. Maybe willing to fib but not to sign a legal statement in case he was done for perjury?

OP is getting very ticked off with Nel's questioning, sounding a bit tetchy.

StackALee · 10/04/2014 13:24

"To my mind all the nitpicking about stuff like that is just an attempt to get OP to lose his temper"

why would someone want to do that?

ExcuseTypos · 10/04/2014 13:24

The thing with the gum chewing- OP said his agent had told him off for chewing gum during interviews. So when they were both going off to do interviews he told her it was best not to chew gum.

I don't think that's controlling, it's just advice, if that is the truth.

Bonnielangbird · 10/04/2014 13:24

You are "irritated" animation only about the posts seeming to defend OP, not the ones at the other end of the scale, presumably because you disagree. As otherwise your attempts to bun throw would be in response to posts saying he is guilty too. Let's just agree to disagree.

louise please don't let amimation put you off from making any points you feel like making. There is no shame in having a view one way or the other now unless further evidence made us think differently (which for me personally it hasn't yet).

Back to the debate - re the gum chewing and accent - I would find this irritating and would definitely say something if DH did. But perhaps I am controlling too, although I don't think this makes me a bad person, hope not anyway, maybe I should ask DH....

HowAboutNo · 10/04/2014 13:25

I don't get why she would've opened the window if they are so scared about intruders?

AfricanExport · 10/04/2014 13:25

Aventurine

There is no way on earth they would have kicked him out the car and then killed Annie. They would have killed them both. It would just not happen like that. No way. . no How...

Bonnielangbird · 10/04/2014 13:25

Agree excuse, I just can't see how the gum chewing is a big deal at all in light of him being in the public eye and photographed a lot etc.

ExcuseTypos · 10/04/2014 13:26

I agree that it's ridiculous he didn't admit to the minor charges.

TheCurseOfFenric · 10/04/2014 13:26

I used to live in a crime ridden part of Africa. NOt SA (although we stayed there too, so am familiar), but crime levels similar. We were a 'targettable' family, and I am well aware of procedures, guards, hijackings, and how hideous break in and home invasions can be.

THere is so much about that evening that doesn't make sense. I understand the perpetual fear, having to question every movement, every sound. I lived it too. I know how it feels to be in a situation where, if it is an intruder, you are going to have to kill them before they kill you.

having said that, I cannot understand (bearing in mind this constant fear - pervasive, there is never a moment when you are not thinking about it on some level - crossing a road, getting in your car, going upstairs/downstairs, or even out into your own (guarded) garden) the following:

lights not working, if they were necessary ones (it is almost unheard of for wealthy people to not have staff, so not just a question of not having time/not being able to reach)

no outside security lights

leaving ladders around (OP says this is one reason why he was so edgy - why not have them moved?)

going to sleep with the balcony doors open - this just would not happen in the home of anyone who was as on edge and alert to potential intruders as OP says he always was.

getting up, hearing a noise, and NOT alerting the person next to you that you think there is an intruder. just muttering something is not the way to do it - you need a cohesive response (and everyone knows this), as otherwise you are leaving them wide open to abuse and assault (if you are overcome instead of overcoming the intruder, then your partner/children/whoever you have not roused sufficiently are just sitting ducks, tbh). OP and Reeva both grew up in SA, they would know that intruders are a possibility - it is not as though either were a stranger to this background environment. I cannot fathom why he would not ensure she was aware of the situation fully before going through all that he did. No response from her should have given him pause for thought.

not having a panic button/not triggering it even if you are going to tackle yourself (this will depend on the state of the guard response - some companies better than others, but again, money not the issue it would appear, and there are always good companies as well as the corrupt/inefficient ones) - much as the response might be 'shoot first ask questions later', the other ingrained response is 'alert people to help you first, explain later if necessary'

I, too, know too many people who have been robbed, assaulted, raped and killed. I know this stuff happens. And I still cannot reconcile it with someone getting up in the night, and doing their own thing with no thought for their partner, putting both their lives at risk (if it hadn't been Reeva in the toilet, then she would have been at risk - OP had no way of knowing whether there was one intruder, or more, or whether they had stayed contained in the toilet or crept out (given how absolutely pitch black it was Hmm) in between some of his toing and froing gathering fans, fetching his gun, etc. It just doesn't make sense.

SirChenjin · 10/04/2014 13:27

Ah OK, thanks Louise

I'm really on the fence. I think he's coming across as an arrogant, controlling, gun-obsessed manchild, who was almost desperate to use his gun. I think he was pumped up with adrenaline when he heard the noise, which was reason enough (in his mind) for him to get his gun and fire. I don't think he meant to kill Reeva, but he wanted to kill someone, if that makes sense?

Bonnielangbird · 10/04/2014 13:27

stack I'm wondering if Nel is chipping away to get him to lose his temper to show him in a bad light - so far we have only seem him upset, tired etc

Roussette · 10/04/2014 13:29

interesting post CurseofFen and it is what I feel on all the odd things he did or didn't do which makes me just wonder a lot.