Oscar Pistorius trial part 2

[JillJ72]

To continue from previous thread

Animation well I'm sorry but I thiink people's assumption that he is automatically a bit guilty is a bit much too.

No he didn't live on a farm miles from anywhere but if you are already paranoid about security/crime then stories like that add to it. Anyone has hasn't been affecred by crime doesn't know how they would act or react. He seems to have been brought up to be fearful of intruders - and I'm not blaming his mother by the way. I have no idea where they lived or how dangerous it was.

And no I'm from Wales actually.

*offence

Whoops I meant "automatically guilty" not " a bit guilty"! Isn't that like "a bit pregnant"?

Oscar has so far blamed his team of lawyers, the police, other witnesses - constantly painting himself as an innocent bystander in all these events involving guns. Other witnesses are lying or wrong - his legal team were remiss in not checking if his finger was on the trigger in the restaurant and the police have tampered evidence but he can't remember how exactly.

Always crying "it wasn't my fault" only gets you so far - he's the common denominator in these incidents and all shoe him to be reckless, careless and hot headed,

"Louise - your rationalisations - putting ALL his behaviours and incidents in a benign light are getting a bit much now!!

I'm starting to wonder if you're from MNHQ :) "

animation it's unfair to keep posting sarcastic comments about people defending OP, just as it would be unfair for those if us who do believe he is telling the truth to keep commenting on those who think he is lying. This thread isn't just for those who think exactly like you do.

.... Please ladies (and gentlemen)... There are so many gunfights on MN, please let's not turn this thread into another one of those

and for all x

Oh gordonbennett I meant BUNfights. I'm so sorry.

"the gum chewing is disturbing to me. Reminds me of an ex who shouted at me for talking loudly or making the slightest noise when eating actually. OP reminds me a lot of him for some reason and I can't put my finger on it. ."

Just as I can see his story could be true having suffered burglaries and assault, and therefore being paranoid myself, I can see that people who have had controlling men in their lives see OP as being the same and identify with Reeva, or what they perceive the relationship to be. None of us can help doing that.

Of course I agree that he sounds a bit controlling (but then so am I apparently which is obviously why I find the gum thing no big deal) and a definite immature arse. None of that means he is a murderer and some people don't seem able to separate the two.

Sorry Jill but

Yes, sorry Jill but I and at that as well,

JillJ72 - that is Freudian to say the least. What a fab typo

The thing is we are all coming at this from exactly the same angle - we all see the same bits of the trial, we all infer from that what we feel.

So some of us think he did it deliberately, some of us think it was a tragic accident. That has no bearing on our morals or our reasonableness as people. That is us being human.

Well said Fleta.

Yes louise I have refrained from posting on here because I have been trying to keep the two separate as I know we can never really know. I am so on the fence because I am open to his side of the story. If only we knew Reeva's too.

It's the blame everyone else for his actions.

It's now reevas fault for not speaking or letting him know she was in the toilet.

I wish that South Africans could have such civil debates. Discussions either end in name calling or racial slurs.

Louise - very few people are saying he's a murderer - people are just commenting as the evidence comes through. But I am noticing that you jump in with EVERY incidence and every behaviour to rationalise it in a benign light - in a way that makes it look him look innocent.

Do you see this as your role? Thats why I wondered if you were from MNHQ??

I don't believe that Reeva would have said nothing if she really had just gone to the toilet, and next thing hears her partner shouting and screaming.

Can anyone clarify this for me - Reeva went to the toilet and opened the window while in there, if I've understood things correctly. Do we know why she did that, has that been explained? I can understand opening a window if you've just poo'ed (sorry, that sounds so disrespectful ) and you're in the early stages of a relationship where you might be embarrassed, but that doesn't seem to have been the case - they've been talking about an empty bladder?

I suppose I'm trying to understand why you would open a window if you're just going for a wee? Apologies if that's already been explained.

Those that are convinced he is innocent will find any reason to slant anything that comes through to OP's advantage, as much as those who have an uneasy feeling he might be guilty will look at it from the opposite angle.

I am trying really hard to be on the fence and look at it as an innocent but awful crime but I am struggling with that, for various reasons.

(if a boyfriend told me to stop chewing gum, I'd tell him to bog off. No one's perfect and maybe I like chewing gum! It just seems as if he tried to undermine or control Reeva from the texts I've read)

"animation it's unfair to keep posting sarcastic comments about people defending OP, just as it would be unfair for those if us who do believe he is telling the truth to keep commenting on those who think he is lying. This thread isn't just for those who think exactly like you do."

Well it does make for irriating reading that you keep posting how you are SO sure he's innocent. Balanced posts are much easier to read whilst the evidence is coming through.

That's a very good point SirChenjin, I never thought of that, why would she of opened a window in the toilet, as they were so scared of intruders you wouldn't open the window in the middle of the night unless to let a smell out, or you thought you would be in there for some time.

I thinking letting air into a loo is normal regardless. Maybe it was stuffy and hot in there?

I though the window was broken that why it was open.

It is so flippin' irritating to have every single sentence ending in "M'lady". Surely he doesn't have to do that.