Oscar Pistorius trial part 2

[JillJ72]

To continue from previous thread

*Nel

I'm a bit confused about that - I thought that what he said BookABooSue. But, how did he manage to turn it off whilst carrying Reeva? wouldn't there have been blood all over it? So I thought I might have misunderstood.

What about gun negligence which was discussed yesterday?
He was keeping his father's ammunition in his safe which is illegal and there was the gun in the restaurant incident.

Would that incur jail time as well?

If anyone has iPhone or iPad you can download the app livestream you can then watch it live on ENCA channel.

SirChenjin it was Rudy (?) Visagie, a rugby player so presumably well known in SA too. I don't think there was even a trial, although I could be wrong. They said he'd suffered enough. Of course he only fired once and his wife backed up that he thought it was a car thief. However, to shoot a car thief while they were driving away is, to my mind, worse than shooting a burglar who is actually in your own home (if there actually was one of course )

Sorry the app is "live station" not live stream.

I was listening to a report yesterday and I thought it was odd that she would have gone to the loo in the middle of the night and locked the door. The loo door in our house is never locked unless we have guests, and with only two of them in the house it seems strange. Unless she was trying to get away from him.

Also, if I heard a suspicious noise at home in the UK the first thing I would do would be to wake DH and tell him and then go and check on DS. If I lived in SA and feared a possibly violent home invasion I would get everyone in the same room before calling the Police, even if I had a gun at home. I wouldn't go off by myself.

I don't know if he intended to kill her or just scare her but I do think he knew she was in the toilet when he fired the gun.

But I think for Rudy, it was quite a clear case with witnesses et al, and I dont think you can compare the loss of a daughter the same with a partner of three months?

I don't know, I just think that's the way things are going. I'm just feeling the whole situation has been so badly handled by the coppers that culpable homicide is what will be the eventual outcome, and there precedent for no jail time on that charge,

I keep thinking that the father and daughter case was really quite different from this one so I hope it's not used as a precedent. For one, you have a completely different relationship between the two people involved (blood relationship and lifelong connection (in the case of the daughter)) ; 3 months romantic relationship with no real commitment (in the case of OP and Reeva). Plus the family of the victim and the perpetrator were the same in the father/daughter case so the family had a right to argue they had all been punished enough. I don't think Reeva's family would feel OP's suffering was the same as their suffering unless he does receive a jail sentence.

I think it will be a case of guilty of culpable homicide, and I think he will do time because of the fact he has admitted he was reckless firing into a closed, locked door

Louise - yes, that's the one, and you're right - it didn't go to trial, my mistake. I wonder why, when as you point out - the car was driving away from the home so no immediate danger, whereas (if you believe his account) OP was in fear for his life. The 'suffered enough' argument seems to be used inconsistently here.

Exactly my thoughts, WitchOfEndor. He had to walk right around the bed to go to the bathroom. I can't imagine, in that situation, that you wouldn't at least glance at your loved one, gesture them to be quiet or whatever. And surely the briefest glance would have shown him Reeva wasn't there.

LouiseBrooks I'm a bit about that. Of course he has a lifetime of suffering because he shot dead is daughter - no prison sentence could ever match that. But shot to kill someone, over his car! How is that reasonable?

WitchofEndor DH always locks the door, even if he's in the house on his own. Not odd, just habit. Also, if she heard OP shouting 'phone the police theres an intruder in the bathroom' she might have locked herself in there to keep herself safe.

"I screamed words to the effect for him/them to get out of my house and for Reeva to phone the police."

From the bail hearing statement

Now he says he spoke to her in a soft voice?

But in order to lock herself in the bathroom to keep safe she would have had to get up and walk past OP, wouldn't she? Also - I can't imagine there wouldn't have been at least some form of conversation at that point, ie he would have been made aware of her presence

Perhaps the Rudy case would of been very different had it actually not been his daughter in that car, I agree I dont see that shooting someone for stealing a car is ok.

Stack don't quote me but If I remember rightly I think that bit was when he was in the passage he screamed that, I'm sure Nel will be going back through that again soon though.

the keypad to turn alarm off is on his house keys
Ah, right, I was thinking the same as Redcoats that there was a keypad on the wall and I thought OP must have put it off after he'd come out of the bathroom so it would have been blood stained, and also that it would have been quite awkward to carry Reeva and put the alarm off so he would have had to put her down or remembered to turn the alarm off before he went back into the bathroom to lift Reeva downstairs. Although I guess it isn't really that relevant when he turned it off because it's something you could easily do on auto-pilot.

I was that the alarm was definitely on because it made the intruder story feel less likely because all OP would have had to do was go out the bedroom door to trip the alarm and alert everyone that something was happening.

StackALee - he said as he was getting the gun he whispered for her to get down, then when he ran towards the bathroom, he started screaming.

SirChenjin - I suppose she could have rolled over and got out of bed the other side (so she wasn't walking past him). But I can't see how he wouldn't hear that.

The other thing I dont understand with the alarm is, I think OP said that it would be triggered if someone walked over the landing, is that right?

looks very much like the jeans were on the duvet, in part. the folded bit sticking out.

so, if the scene is not contaminated, the duvet was on the floor already.

I still don't understand how she got out of the bed without OP hearing her, this bit baffles me.

He said the alarm system is for inside & outside the house I;e he has sensors inside and outside, although the nearest sensor for the upstairs is on a wall on the stairs, so I don't think the alarm would go off upstairs, however if someone was outside climbing into his house they probably would have set the alarm off from an outside sensor.

Sorry, my point was if the alarm was on then then it would be triggered by someone walking past it?

Its said that Reeva ate at about 1.00 am? I would take it unless she had a snack beside the bed she would have to go down to the kitchen, and triggered it? Or when OP carried her down stairs it would have gone off? if thats the case then it couldnt have been on, and I think thats significant.

Unless Ive got it wrong of course.

Even if the alarm would go off in the landing if you look up a floor plan layout of his house the bedroom, bathroom toilet all lead in to one another, you only would go onto the landing to go to stairs or bedroom 2 or 3.