Oscar Pistorius trial part 2

[JillJ72]

To continue from previous thread

Also - what time are they supposed to have been asleep from? 10pm is ringing a bell....if so, does anyone else find that a bit odd, given that this is their first Valentine's Day together, early on in a relationship?

Gkaditsnotjustme Do you think he talks in the way of what he would HAVE done instead of what he DID do in case he gets caught out in a lie so can then act vague about it? Rather then having it put to him that he SAID that he DID do X Y Z?

Excuse I have read somewhere that is likely that saying - I took her life rather than I shot and killed her - distances him from the reality.

Yes I think he's deliberately not saying "I Killed Reeva" probably been advised to, and probably finds it very difficult to say.

I also think that it's true that his time in court was the first time he'd spoken openly about the events that happened (which is what he said I think), and that it must all feel very alien to him to say "I killed her".

I would have much more respect for him if he could own up to what he did - I mean in his version of events - and say "I did this, I was reckless, I shouldn't have acted so foolishly with my gun, I killed her, I'm so sorry". The judge might even believe him.

He's harming his defence by weaving this web of inconsistencies, blaming everyone else, crying (for himself) etc.

I like Nel.

I also think that the defence tell him not to say "killed" .

I don't understand why he won't actually lie if he is lying. After all if he killed her on purpose, what's a little lie in comparison? It is a very odd way of phrasing though.

*GladitsnotjustMe" - Apparently she was wearing Oscar's clothes in bed. It's her jeans that were on the floor I think.

The thing is for both Roux and Nel this is a Job, they'll be paid handsomely and prob have dinner together afterwards.

Your right Sauce it was unprofessional to laugh, but I'll admit I laughed as well

As an amputee I applauded OP for fighting vigorously to be able to run with the other athletes and I watched that race and so wanted him to do well and I can't take that away from him, but as soon as he killed someone with his gun any respect I had vanished, but I'll admit I hate guns with a passion. I have found though through this trail he is coming across as a spoilt, controlling quite nasty chap with an unhealthy obsession with guns.

But yes yes that doesn't automatically make him the murderer of Reeva.

Floral Do you think he talks in the way of what he would HAVE done instead of what he DID do in case he gets caught out in a lie so can then act vague about it? Rather then having it put to him that he SAID that he DID do X Y Z?

Yes I do, and also it's perhaps a less calculated response even than that. I'm sure I've read somewhere that it's a way of telling a lie without actually telling a lie IYSWIM. "I would have done this" rather than "I did do this" is an easier lie to swallow.

I have read somewhere that is likely that saying - I took her life rather than I shot and killed her - distances him from the reality. - Yes I believe it's his way of not fully admitting what he did.

I'm sure real psychologists are having a field day over this, they can probably spot these obvious signs all over his testimony.

SirChenjin it wasn't Valentines day, it was the day before.

This is why he had to say he doesn't know how the bathroom door was shot, that he shot "accidentally" - to say anything else is to admit that he shot to maim/kill.

Which clearly he did.

So his twists and turns to avoid a truthful answer are making him look like he is lying.

Sirchen from what I remember it was said that they did retire quite early that night, bearing in no mind valentines day was the next day technically.

"what time are they supposed to have been asleep from? 10pm is ringing a bell"

THAT'S WHAT op SAYS. WASN'T THERE SOME EVIDENCE TO DO WITH THE STOMACH CONTENTS WHICH SAID SHE POSSIBLY ATE AROUND 1AM?
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I was wondering that too ExcuseTypos. He was not shifting on that at all yesterday.

His tantrum was at the paralympics. He had fought a huge legal battle to get himself into able-bodied competitions so he could qualify to run at the Olympics. He proved is running blades didn't give him an advantage. The runner who beat him at the paralympics had recently increased the height of his blades and had started running much quicker times. OP was not the only one to say it was unfair, but he's the most famous and complained on live TV straight after the event. As I remember he didn't really apologise, more of a 'I regret the timing, and Alan is great, but its still unfair' type of thing. Definitely a poor show.

I don't understand why he won't actually lie if he is lying. After all if he killed her on purpose, what's a little lie in comparison? Because he might not want to believe himself as an out and out liar. He might find it difficult to lie. He might be saying the minimum amount of lies to get away with his 'version' of events.

Apparently she was wearing Oscar's clothes in bed - Why? Has he said why? Has Nel questioned him on this?

Could it be that she threw on the first clothes she could find to escape him in a violent argument?

I though she was wearing shorts and a vest - lots of people sleep in that kind of get up.

Yes, there's forensic evidence to suggest that she ate later - although one witness said food degeneration (or whattever it's called) wasn't an exact science. If I was staying over at a new boyfriend's on Valentines evening I don't think we'd be fast asleep at 10. We'd be in bed, but not asleep...

I missed the bit that said she was fully clothed - I thought she was wearing a vest top and running shorts when she was found in the toilet by the Police?

I think OP says they went to bed early, but the stomach contents suggest RS ate much later.

I suppose going to bed early supports OPs version that they were both sleeping. Eating later suggests that they could have been up, possibly arguing..? But why lie about that? Why not say "Oh yes, I forgot, RS did go and make herself something as she was hungry"

Has Nel got to that in his questioning?

I feel there's so much more that he ought to be asking him about, and I fear that he's going to run out of time to ask him. Does he get as long as he wants to question the witness?

Oh ok Vest top and shorts are a normal thing to wear in bed. I thought someone said she was fully clothed.

It wasn't Valentine's day - it was the day before.

She could have been on her period.

But she was wearing shorts wasn't she? If they were his then that's understandable, if she had no pjs there he could have given her a pair of his shorts, it's a fairly intimate thing to do, I use to wear DHs pjs when we first met obv wouldn't now as I know the farting that goes on in there

I wonder what Roux and Oldridge (sp?) thought of OP shifting a bit of blame on them today... Like about the quick succession shots into the bathroom opposed to 2 double tap? That was a strange moment

glad I'm pretty sure he can question him until he's done

That is strange HowAbout, I should imagine an awkward conversation was had afterwards.

But yes, it could also be used in an appeal.

She could have been having her period, yes....still not sure we'd have been asleep. How many young adults are fast asleep at 10pm? I don't know - that bit just isn't ringing true, although I still don't think he meant to kill Reeva.

Op was asked this morning about what time they ate. He stuck to his story but did say that if reeva did eat anything later then he didn't notice