Missing Malaysia Air plane MH370 - Part 3

[KenAdams]

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KaleCrochet, that is a very interesting and worrying theory. If that should be the case then I am starting to think that this is a on par with a military operation. So not led by terrorists at all but by a regime. Is this a really ignorant thought?

I reckon Keith ledgewood has got it. and the authorities know this and have been using the time to try to find it. they would have known someone would figure it eventually.

that is what all the erratic movement is about. waiting basically.

I think Goldie mentioned the Singapore flight in the context of what planes people would have seen in the sky. possibly on the first thread.

KaleCrotchet, that is a very interesting link. I was wondering how a 777 could possibly have crossed airspace of other countries without being detected.

Keith Legerwood (who is he?) speculates that MH370 crossed Indian airspace in the shadow of another 777, and could have landed (or crashed) somewhere north of Afganistan.

@PinkMacaroons I think it's definately military level planned, but whether it comes from a state's military, or part of the "nexus of terror" I'd say the latter... after all, all states have the access and capability to purchase both military and commercial jets... terrorist networks don't, so they would have to "steal" them.

What other planes are there unaccounted for? there was one stolen from a runway in Africa in about 2003.

This type of activity would taken years in the planning.

Bloody hell, KL's theory really sounds plausible to an amateur onlooker like me.

If the plane had indeed landed at any of the locations mentioned in the KL's article (Xingjian province, Kyrgyzstan, or Turkmenista) whatever might happen next?

KL's theory seems plausible.

"after all, all states have the access and capability to purchase both military and commercial jets... terrorist networks don't, so they would have to "steal" them."

True but the missing plane included passengers with highly sensitive knowledge (Freescale semi). They could be held to ransom...

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/malaysia/10702190/Missing-Malaysia-plane-flew-at-5000ft-and-used-terrain-masking-to-avoid-radar-detection.html

Does this article describe a similar scenario as KL?

That makes a lot of sense from Keith L, though not sure how it marries with all the altitude changes in the plane's flight. Were those altitude changes (flying very high and then very low) speculation as to how it could get through radar, or were they actual stats from the satellite?

Kale, I don't see how it would be part of a military operation rather than a terrorist activity. Yes, it is a complex plan but not beyond terrorist capabilities, I wouldn't have thought.

The Ledgerwood theory raises two questions for me:

How would anyone on MH370 have known that SIA68 took off on time at might? It had a later schedued departure time than MH370, so phone call before take off wouldn't have been a possibility.

How would MH370 have been able to fly accurately so close behind it? (Goldie?).

Hmmm, so were they stealing the plane or stealing the people??

I thought I read the Freescale employees worked in the purchasing department... they'd still be privy to sensitive info, but lack technical expertise that the wouldbe captors were after.

Is it possible that the plane has been shot down by a large country that has in recent times seen acts of terrorism being commited on its own turf and they are not going to say they have done it ?

Or (turning Keith's theory on its head) is there any way that Sia68 could have been mistaken for MH370?

In other words, it didn't fly on for the 7 hours or whatever they think, but actually those pings were Sia68 continuing on a course that MH370 had started on...but crashed/ram out of fuel etc at some stage on the route?

Pink, I think it is describing a completely different scenario as 5000ft is a dangerous altitude for a 777, so if they were shadowing the other flight, they would not have dropped so low.

Thank you for clarifying marigold.

meditrina, "How would MH370 have been able to fly accurately so close behind it?"

Keith Ledgerwood talks about the TCAS system, which would have enabled MH370 to track and follow. I assume they could have manually followed the Singapore Airlines plane, making sure they were always the same distance behind.

"In addition, the TCAS system onboard MH370 would have enabled the pilot(s) to easily locate and approach SIA68 over the Straits of Malacca as they appeared to have done. The system would have shown them the flight’s direction of travel and the altitude it was traveling which would have enabled them to perfectly time an intercept right behind the other Boeing 777."

"I thought I read the Freescale employees worked in the purchasing department... they'd still be privy to sensitive info, but lack technical expertise that the wouldbe captors were after."

They would not necessarily have sensitive information if the product lines they worked on were one of the many non-military ones that the company also produces. And they were locally employed staff based in Malaysia and China, which again suggests they would not have sensitive information. What was on this specific flight may well be utterly irrelevant (or just opportunistic) as the time lines for planning a terrorist even stretch several years.

And of course getting an airframe might only be one part of a bigger plan that is only part way though the preparation stage. But we just don't know, as we do not know who took the plane OT why.

This thread is WAY more informative than any one news channel!

Thanks Merry !

What range does TCAS work over? And presumably it's reciprocal, so it would be easy to establish from SIA68 if they were aware of a following plane? (Or is all data deleted on landing?)

And how would they find SIA68 in the first place? Would the hijackers need a portable HF comms system to establish if SIA68 was on time, so they knew when to be where to be close enough to find it and follow it?

Medi, it works off the transponder, so if it the transponder was turned off the Singapore Airlines flight would have been completely unaware of the MH flight.

Here is article:
here

According to Freescale, some of the employees are engineers and in other technical roles:

www.ibtimes.co.uk/malaysia-airlines-plane-mh370-latest-conspiracy-theory-were-freescale-semiconductor-top-employees-1440097

"not sure how it marries with all the altitude changes in the plane's flight. Were those altitude changes (flying very high and then very low) speculation as to how it could get through radar, or were they actual stats from the satellite?"

Well my theory is that they flew high to induce hypoxia among the passengers, so they were out for the count & couldn't resist. However, DH who's an aeronautical engineer, said this wouldn't be an issue as the cabin is pressurised at a constant level. Anyway, as per the Helios flight 2005, there was an airconditioning/cabin pressure button that wasn't selected properly in the pre-flight checks, so maybe cabin pressure is controlled from the cockpit (those at the controls wearing O2 masks).

I reckon they flew low (29,000) so theycould watch for planes going past NW-wards, both out the window an on their screen, then hop in behind the SIA68.

"How would anyone on MH370 have known that SIA68 took off on time at might?"

Well, once they're up in the air they have an anti-collision screen with the surrounding aircraft with their callsigns/flight no's... I'm sure they'd have the collusion of ppl on the ground to contact them... maybe the hijackers had a private satellite phone with them?

"Does this article describe a similar scenario as KL?"

No, the Telegraph article decribes flying so close to the ground like military jets do, that they're below the horizon as far as military radar is concerned and can't map them.

Hope that explains things... hoping Goldie will be back later and explain much better!

I think the altitude changes happened earlier in the flight. High altitude after the last voice contact and the following low altitude going over the Malay peninsula. They then passed the waypoint and snuck up on The other 777.

As I've said before, it's suggested the 45000ft altitude was to render the passengers unconscious.

It is, Merry!

Some of the Freescale employees were named on a patent that was granted just about the same time the flight went missing = they were not all admin staff; at least some were talented electronics engineers.

As 25 countries are now tying up expensive resources in this search, I reckon it's safe to assume a security threat is the motive. A robbery wouldn't have the same international impact.

The KL article read as pure speculation to me. Just cos he is using technical terms does not make it viable.

Sorry I have to admit I have not read previous threads but what is it that convinces everyone that the plane was hijacked and not just a terrible crash?

I just can't imagine you could keep a massive plane and over 200 people quiet and hidden for ten days!