Missing Malaysia Air plane MH370 - Part 3

[KenAdams]

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I don't know how much information the ACARS messages hold. If only one change of direction was inserted before it was turned off, even if it sends the details of that change, well they knew that already didn't they? The plane turning (back?) information was released straight away.

*things seem, not things se

Goodness. This has moved on quickly.

Marking place so I can catch up later.

I know, I'm an awful person.

Meditrina, I think they obviously need to combine evidence and speculation in order to get some leads.

I am sure they are at least 4 or 5 days ahead of what they tell...

I don't think the fact the co-pilot delivered last message is significant. It could mean:

• Pilot was not willing to speak (or was out of action), so hijackers forced co-pilot to speak
• Co-pilot IS hijacker
• Pilot is hijacker and forced co-pilot to speak [least likely but still possible]

oh, ok, I thought the plane turning back info was later, when they started searching the malacca strait.

Marking place so I can catch up later.

I suppose I just don't see expert hypothesising from emerging evidence as the same as speculation.

It would be a game changer if they established that the voice was neither pilot nor copilot. And I expect they are checking everything, so the next steps are based on as definitive picture as possible rather than leaving anything as assumption.

I doubt the pilot or pilots were in on it.
I suspect there were terrorists on the plane and they got into the cockpit without a struggle (remember how the pilot was with the Australian women) and took control. The plane was probably crashed into remote jungle and will probably not be found for months.

just making place...

If it was neither pilot nor co-pilot then it's still a hijack. How is it different?

Conspiracy theories will be rife at present time I'm sure but like a lot of things we won't know the truth until 10 years later when all has been forgotten anyway (I know I'm very skeptical as so many countries are involved for one missing plane)

I'm sure there are legitimate reasons for authorities to with holding certain information.

I just feel for the families effected by all this :(

Malaysia Airlines seem pretty confident that last voice was the Co pilot. Include that the tracking systems were disabled before that last message was sent, I don't see how he could not be involved somehow, either because he was in on it or was forced. I seem to remember Goldie saying that those navigation systems were in cockpit or at least one of them was? In which case either way he had to know something bad was going on.

I just doubt they would release that information on the Co pilot being the one to send that message if they weren't sure. And there's no explanation for the mumblings afterwards either that the other plane picked up.

I wonder if it is common for co-pilots to speak - you know, whether it's just who is available, or whether it is always the pilot unless an emergency.

I think it helps (probably) clear the pilot's name, which I am glad about, because he seemed a good guy! It doesn't prove anything either way about the co-pilot, though I guess they will be doing a lot more digging.

If it were established it was an 'unknown' voice, it would rule out suicide by pilot.

I've just seen something on SKY which suggests that the exact timing of the ACARS being switched off may not be as firm as first reported. The last transmission was at 1:07, and the next one (due at 1:37) never came, but precise moment within that timeframe is not known. Anyone seen this from an official source?

The "all right, good night" was at 1:19.

I think it's been said previously that saying something like "Good night," is a pretty standard sign off when leaving an air traffic control centre.

Did I read in the news that it is thought that the pilot's wife and children had left the family home the day before. If that's the case, and they'd 'left' as in properly left, I can't help but feel that's significant.

If there were a group of terrorists on the plane, I would have thought that there would be people elsewhere chattering about it by now.

Typica. Me too. Unless it was mere coincidence. Which it could be.

Libra, I think his kids are grown up and he has grandchildren. The moving out may have been the day before, but I guess he knew about it for a while before.

Interesting meditrina, so the ACARS was maybe turned off AFTER "Goodnight".

It depends on what your aim is though for doing a hijack in the first place. Either you want to do a 9/11, use the plane for something else or there was cargo or a person on board you wanted. If it were the latter two then it might not be broadcast straight away, depending on what your end game was.

Still not sold on the suicide theory.

Question for Goldie if she's around: there was a crash by pilot suicide in Namibia late last year where the pilot locked the co-pilot out of the cabin. The black box recorded the co-pilot banging on the door. Is that only possible because it was a much smaller aircraft?

bigstory.ap.org/article/mozambique-pilot-crashed-plane-suicide-friend

keithledgerwood.tumblr.com/post/79838944823/did-malaysian-airlines-370-disappear-using-sia68

Interesting...

I remember @Goldie mentioning something about a Singapore to Barcelona flight, SIA68, that was in the skies nearby at the time. (Think her post was on 12/3 in a previous thread)

Seems MH370 "piggie-backed" right behind on this one to evade radar.

The flight path would have taken it right over India northwest-wards.

If so the plane could be somewhere in central Asia/ Iran etc on the ground... waiting... for who knows what

Think this is a very plausible scenario, and if so, shows very deliberate and meticulous planning.

Wasn't the pilot or co-pilots message something like "Roger that, all's good, good night"?

I think I read that "roger that" is more military aviation speak rather than civilian aviation so that is suspicious but can't remember where I read that.

I think the more that is being released about the pilot (his flight simulator, political activism etc.) makes me wonder if the Malaysian authorities are actually looking more into the co-pilot. Diverting our attention iyswim? But I am uneasy with any figure pointing at either of the pilots tbh. I understand they need to be investigated but pilots would generally place the life of their passengers over their own.

I'm another person who is horrified but interested in this.

I just really hope for the benefit of the families involved the mystery is solved and they find out what has happened.