Missing Malaysia Air plane MH370 - Part 3

[KenAdams]

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Midday here not too early for a nice glass of red with lunch? :)

Absolutely not too early if it is midday! I need to get off this thread and do some work but it is so fascinating (then I feel guilty as for the poor families it is utterly devastating one way or another).

Oh...I didn't realise they were suspecting the pilots. Or looking for evidence to suspect them, or whatever. I suppose they want to leave no stone unturned with this.

I think the simulator has nothing to do with it.
Its no different to train drivers and train sets.

very interesting

Oh, I see. Great article from CNN.

Pre-programmed doesn't mean it was programmed in advance or there is any record now of the programming. They are just assuming from the plane's flight path (do they know the flight path then?) that this could not have been achieved by manual flying and would have to have been flown bya programmed auto pilot. Even re-programming the auto pilot (so the plane does not crash into other planes!) is very complex, and would need to be done by an experienced pilot. Though possibly one who is being held at gunpoint.

I know this is a bit touchy-feely, but I like the pilot from what I've read about him. He sounds quite brave, going against the establishment and sticking up for his belief in democracy, despite the trouble it may get him into.

livingzuid - thank you for that concise summary - very helpful for me.

I can see why this is causing much speculation.
I cant remember another time when so many countries have been involved in a search like this for a plane that appears to have simply disappeared?

Thinking of those poor passengers and their families.
I hope it can be ascertained what happened, eventually.

thanks again, livingzuid.x

msrisotto. But were they missing and then found? I couldnt decide from your link.

If it premeditated and well planned, it is likely that some people somewhere, know about it.

no problem :) hyperemesis means I have plenty of spare time on my hands right now!

and as soon as this baby decides to arrive, I'm contemplating how to sneak in a cheeky glass of wine or so whilst at hospital. So my midday red is delayed for a little bit, sigh.

Someone on Pprune website has said they think that the pilot or co-pilot disposed of the other & then decided to do what all pilots secretly wish they could do (if allowed & feasible) what they are not permitted to do: fly as high as they can & then as low as they can, zig zag , fly over homeland & keep going until fuel runs out...

Obviously something must have tipped them over the edge to behave like that. Be interested in Goldie's take but in the absence of anything else this seems possible? If terrible to contemplate.

Now that they reckon the voice was from the co pilot surely it must be one of two things:

• he was in on it
• he was forced to speak

Either one is horrible. Interesting and scary read poubella

I know this sounds like a bonkers question, but what would happen to a plane if it just carried on gaining altitude? Just went up and up? I guess the fuel would freeze or something? I am not keen on the terrorist theories and I'm just wondering if there is any alternative to 'it's on the sea bed'.

Oh and avoid radar (if they can) this person added. As terrible as this sounds it might be a better scenario than some others being mooted.

MerryMarigold that's not quite true.

My understanding is that when waypoints are programmed into the planes active route a waypoint change event message is triggered in ACARS.

As ACARS was turned off a short while into the flight they must have evidence of at least one of the waypoint insertions before it was shut down.

Psammead I think it would stall and start descending. The air is too thin above a certain altitude to keep flying.

Psammead, is it something to do with pressure? Wouldn't it just explode?

Why are you not keen on terrorist theories?

Didn't it just crash (tragically) into the sea? All getting too head mashy for me

Goldie said that planes can't do that - they reach a certain altitude and the atmosphere is too thin to give the plane lift any more and it stalls (i.e. falls out the sky).

"As ACARS was turned off a short while into the flight they must have evidence of at least one of the waypoint insertions before it was shut down."

And no-one noticed this re-route for a week? And so everyone is searching the bottom of the sea all that time. I would have thought the data from the plane would be the very FIRST thing they looked at, surely.

Just catching up with the new thread whilst sitting in the departure lounge at Heathrow. I heard on the radio on the way here that they were interested in one of the passengers in particular. Is that true (my driver was listening to a strange Christian radio station I'd never heard of)?

Very scary Poubella.

Sorry, MerryMarigold, I probably put it a bit too stridently! But everything they have done is consistent with following evidence and good leads (so start at point of disappearance, extend when evidence of turn back which could well have been MH370, definitive change when proved it was the flight).

And still all at sixes and sevens because of the lack of good leads/evidence about what the plan could be and where it might point. There must be absolutely masses of information that needs to be sifted and analysed, then cross referenced internationally.

It would be interesting to know whether 'all right, good night' - or whatever it is the co-pilot (if it was him) said last is:

Typical air 'speak' - ie he was trying to make things se normal and was therefore in on it

Not typical, therefore he might have been trying to alert authorities that he was speaking under duress.