Missing Malaysia Air plane MH370 - Part 3

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gindrinker Tue 18-Mar-14 14:25:40
Red how much info do we think has been handed over if the thai's are only just giving radar info today.

Very little.

Even if countries are saying they haven't seen the flight, I'm also skeptical on how hard they have looked for information.

I also worry about fear and self interest with this, and whether things would have been discounted by low level officials and never passed on up higher too. If you are an ordinary radar operator and maybe saw something a little unusual at the time but dismissed it for any number of innocent reasons and then started to doubt yourself I might question whether you might pass that information on. Its easy for us to say we would, but it depends on which country this might be and what the potential repercussions might be, if you later then said something. It then goes to a superior but not someone with any level of power... and the same thought process goes on.

There is a hell of a lot of saving face or self preservation at play in addition to national security issues which could easily explain why data might not be passed on.

I wouldn't have Thailand pegged as a country which had particular national security issues to hide internationally either. I think there are others with far more diplomatic and strategic concerns.

This actually came up a couple of days ago with several nations saying they hadn't been asked 'specifically' for radar data. So I don't envy the Malaysians having to pick their way through that, whilst everyone else makes them a scape goat.

I do think that politics are the single biggest hinderance to the entire search process, ahead of the needle in the haystack problem.

Perihelion,

"Adjusting my tin foil hat, I also wonder, rather than targeting Deigo Garcia or a nuclear powered aircraft carrier in the Indian Ocean/Arabian Sea, if it was flown and ditched at the undisclosed spot where the US disposed of Osama Bin Laden's body.....no hijack demands, no made for TV event, but a rather covert, chilling message."

I followed your line of thinking and googled bin laden. Apparently his do bis 10 march, only two days after the plane disappeared.......
[i know ridiculous line of thought but hey..]

*His dob.

Umm... Perhaps the family aren't talking because they're bloody upset?

Honestly, I think if my father disappeared in such circs, my reaction to prying journos would not be to hold a press conference but to scream at them to fuck off to the far side of fuck (from which they might deduce that I'm a MNer, but from which I would hope they wouldn't also conclude that my father is guilty of suicide/homicide).

FWIW, the niece posted on FB at the beginning, didn't she, and mentioned something about her father's plane also missing for a short while and not hearing until after an emergency landing. She seems to have gone quiet, but if her dad (presumably captain Zahari's brother or BIL) is also a pilot, perhaps he's telling them all to shut up and toe the company/authority line with regard to the media. Also the Malaysian/Chinese journos seem to be far more respectful of the families' feelings than Western reporters (not seeing an awful lot from any passengers' relatives, thank goodness - as said before, mostly the Western passengers' families talking). I'd guess the Western reporters are hampered in their nosiness by their lack of Malay/Chinese speaking skills.

For a non-tin foil hat reason for the plane to be over the Maldives. What if there had been a fire knocking out communication, which had also fucked the operation of the landing gear.
Goldie can a 777 land on the ground without landing gear? Or would it be safer to try to ditch on calm seas, the likes of which you'd find in the middle of an atoll?
I suppose this scenario doesn't preclude getting too close to twitchy US forces further South.

I like that shadowing theory
it explains a lot of the odd manoeuvres
but no word from anyone now holding the plane

nowt meks sense.

Maldives and DG is very interesting. Waiting for more developments.

A 777 landing on the ground without landing gear would be a crash. Landing gear is wheels n' stuff (sorry, I'm not technical like Goldie!)

Why's the plane over the Maldives in the first place? The chances of spontaneous emergency mechanical problems and a hijacking happening on the same flight are a zillion to one, to the power of a gadzillion. Give or take a decimal point either side.

Frontier that link is great.

I am really interested now if there is anyway to reconcile the Maldives sightings (loud and low level) with the Inmarsat data.

Am starting to feel we may be approaching the endgame here.

just a thought re: countries not automatically sharing data - might some countries be suspicious that this was being used as a ploy by the U.S to find out exactly what security, radar coverage, etc the whole area has?

IF MH370 was heading to Diego Garcia, the two most obvious reasons would be: anti-american hijacker aiming to crash into military installation; US stealing the plane, goodness knows why. But I'm pretty sure the US would have shot down any unexplained aircraft over the island.

Interesting that DG was one of the first destinations to be suspected by the tin hatters David Icke forum. They have been right about a lot of seemingly ridiculous things lately, although that's mostly been about dodgy activities amongst powerful Brits. This is a different kind of thing entirely ... but why did they pick out Diego Garcia while there wasn't much to suggest that theory? I can't stand reading the threads on there, so can't answer my own question.

might some countries be suspicious that this was being used as a ploy by the U.S to find out exactly what security, radar coverage, etc the whole area has?

In their shoes, I would be!

What I don't get is why there's only one satellite map of the last satellite ping at 8.11 am, when they said the satellite picked up many pings from the plane during the night. Surely they can cross-reference and compare the data across all the pings at different times and plot a likely route. I imagine this is what the intelligence bods and air investigators are working on, but it's not being released yet.

I'm not buying the Maldives theory yet, the plane ended up at one point along the northern or southern arcs at 8 am. The satellite is pretty much straight above the Maldives and the distance to the line of the arcs would be more than its fuel range at that stage... unless it had a refuelling stop in the Maldives... hmm this needs calculation on distances and times.

I'm not sure we will find out for years, if ever, what happened. Particularly if it took the southern arc. I am interested in the depressurisation theory though. Not sure if this accident has been mentioned on the previous threads but a test pilot who lived locally to me was piloting a plane that depressurised in 1979. It flew on for 7 hours and eventually crashed when the fuel ran out. He and the other person onboard had died hours previously.

Male airport in the Maldives is very small and the runway prominently placed. And very busy. I don't think you'd get a 777 landing there, unnoticed, or safely. Or certainly be able to take off again without ending up in the sea.

American journalist believes plane electronically hijacked by US Air Force using an AWACS plane to avoid radar and flown to Diego Garcia. Reason? Chinese defence electronics specialists on board. He says 'ONLY AWACS and supporting systems can vanish a non stealth plane from radar, cut it's communications, and fly it via remote'.

Male airport can take a 777 (and does regularly from lots of international flights afaik) however you are correct that unnoticed would not be possible as its pretty busy

The Chinese defence electronics specialists were working for an American based company, Freescale. So why would the Americans target employees of one of their own comapnies?

Etainagain Tue 18-Mar-14 15:46:49
American journalist believes plane electronically hijacked by US Air Force using an AWACS plane to avoid radar and flown to Diego Garcia. Reason? Chinese defence electronics specialists on board. He says 'ONLY AWACS and supporting systems can vanish a non stealth plane from radar, cut it's communications, and fly it via remote'.

Only known way... so the technology and ability exists then?
Pretty arrogant to automatically assume that therefore this means that only one group could do it.
More likely perhaps, but it also shows its possible and that someone else could develop similar means to do the same thing.

I still think its a pretty massive black ops mission to try and take on, and gamble that you can pull it off without any mistake with that many people of different nationalities on board and knowing that the eyes of the world will be on you afterwards. Especially if you are a democratic nation of any kind who are more liable to be under the scrutiny of your own people.

Kale that part doesn't make sense to me either. From what I understand, they were all pretty low level employees anyway in terms of their knowledge. But thought the AWACS plane was an interesting idea.

From the Guardian just now:

'The ambassador to Malaysia also said that because a criminal investigation was under way, "the probe into the incident's cause is not suitable to be conducted in a high-profile way".'

Ambassador to China methinks. So really there's little info they are going to release.

They are searching an area larger than Australia and expect a search to take weeks.

Red I agree, but it's an interesting idea. One thing nobody seemed to bargain on though was that the Rolls Royce engines would still be transmitting data. Have the Malaysians said when the engines stopped transmitting data?

Gosh, what am I going to do without any new information? Real life??

I don't think the US would hijack it for the employees, but possibly to see if it could be done, and what the loopholes in the system are...and to create some anti terrorist frenzy. We haven't had any for a while! Perhaps the US promised the pilot some involvement in the Malay political system in return for his co-operation on this. [Just got a new roll of foil from the pound shop!]

Would the US really fuck with the Chinese? They would be mad to...