Missing Malaysia Air plane MH370 - Part 3

[KenAdams]

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I think women are who know stuff will always get a hard time, either out of jealousy, spite, or just pure gender bias.

I really don't want to cast aspersions on the pilot's character but in the absence of much else making sense the scenario put forward on Pprune makes sense to me. These points strike me as being highly significant:

1. Pilot at the trial that very day of someone he believed to have been wrongly convicted. Angry at the decision and not believing justice had been served.

1. The Co-pilot being the son ?/connected to a high ranking Malaysian Govt minister may have seen things very different and had a different perspective. They might have discussed the trial and argued. An argument/fight might be one reason for erratic flying?

1. The Pilot may have had other serious domestic issues/stresses at home - even if he knew his wife and children allegedly had planned to go that day or the day before or whatever was claimed

1. The erratic flying - taking the plane to the very highest it could possibly go and then taking it to the very lowest it could go, zig zagging, avoiding radar etc. Again allegedly this is something that pilots might long to do (if the opportunity arose) rather than sticking to the A to B route of their workaday lives. If you were angry you might do this you might play out in real life your fantasy, what you might have only been able to do on a flight Sim at home before.

1. The airports that had been allegedly logged into the flight sim, Male in Maldives has been mentioned? (Can anyone explain if these various airports would be there logged into any flight sim programme - I imagine so and that this last point is a bit of a red herring).

Whilst horrible to contemplate there are other scenarios which are far more terrifying with further reaching consequences. Can anyone say why the above does not make any sense? To me it seems more logical than other fantastic scenarios mooted. RIP all.

"I think women are who know stuff will always get a hard time, either out of jealousy, spite, or just pure gender bias."

Yes, absolutely. But that does not need to be the case here.

Goldie I didn't read Red's post that way at all, people were quoting your posts as fact and she was pointing out that none of us can possibly know for sure what happened until the plane is found - if it ever is. There is so much speculation on this and there are so many statements made that are later retracted or contradicted, people are basing theories on things that later press releases show cannot be true and Red was just pointing this out because people on here were telling her not to question anything that had already been said.

The question on cyber security had not arisen until last night. And actually on the cockpit issue Goldie had said on the last threads she couldn't talk about it further. It should be obvious there are some things about her job she can't talk about. She doesn't need to justify herself to anyone before posting a comment, and the same goes for anyone else.

Anyway that's enough from me.

Goldie - please come back after work. I've really appreciated your input (and what will I tell my parents now?!)

I was so impressed that MN had managed 2.5 threads without some of the usual annoying nonsense. Can we forget it happened?
If you don't like this thread, go and find another one.

meditrina sorry I should have clarified with my earlier post that I didn't understand what it meant with the statement on the times of communication, not that it was new information.

doctrine thank you for explaining it to me. I am particularly dense at the moment

CantUnderstandNewtonsTheory I see your point but red said it in a way that came across as particularly bitchy.

Goldie please come back later. I totally understand why you couldn't answer some of my questions and really appreciate you taking the time to answer the ones that you did.

Said...wrote...god....sleep....I blame it on Nick Clegg suddenly appearing on my tv screen.

This is not really new info but more updates from China's side. And a good map on the search area if anyone hasn't already seen it, and the radius the plane could have traveled.

www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-26609569

I also had a horrible thought as well earlier. It's no longer as newsworthy as before is it? Because there is no information at all really and even the DM can only go on making things up for so long.

I have borrowed someone's tinfoil hat here, but maybe they are waiting for the media attention to die down? Government maybe hoping this somehow goes away if that makes sense? Or waiting for us to not have it at the forefront any more and then something else happens?

Oo hello Imp!

Yes sorry I didn't elaborate on the twat guy saying girls couldn't be engineers because I assumed everyone would realise other people thought he was an eejit too, I should have been more clear Goldie, was in no way agreeing with him! I was a lecturer for years in a very male techy environment but I never came up against any dinosaurs like him before so was a bit gobsmacked. Would have loved to get Goldie over there to prove him wrong!

Agh: livingzuid: I meant to agree with you - I thought your post about guess thay're looking for something to talk about" is so true, and I thought the Guardian bit you cited was a further example of rehashing.

Though I should have thought a bit more - the print editions of newspapers do have to run with what has happened since the last print edition, and doing as they did probably wasn't really worth a comment.

We are not allowed to question our glorious leader? Ridiculous. So easy to see how some countries get into the state that they do.
And fwiw, my questions about cyber attacks were ignored about 5 times on this thread and the second thread.

Clifftop. Yes I agree with your post. The pilot was likely to be in a very agitated state when he took control of the plane.
We can all be serene when things are going well.

BTW, cyber security was mentioned in the Ch5 programme a few nights ago. I don't really understand this angle, so don't tend to comment on it.

But one observation - if it was cyber attack, it is using a new capability that may not be well understood or even thought possible. And it does raise the possibility that this is a test run of a prototype and that the plane was targeted purely at random. That would also be a scenario under which no one would claim responsibility, either because there are horrified geeks somewhere who never thought it would come to this with real people missing/dead. Or because the developers have further use in mind and do not want anyone to discover the capability and they it is them who have it.

Another one asking you please to come back, Goldie. Ignore the chippy chunterers.

Goldie: "The only thing I have had to rethink is the overall theory that I favoured (depressurisation/hypoxia) when the Malaysian Prime Minister came out and said that it's definitely a criminal act, which was information we did not have before."

That theory could still be valid, if the hypoxia was caused by noxious substance rather than breach of cabin pressure.

How do we know it is 'definitely a criminal act' - are we basing it all on the timing of the last 'ping' or transmission which may be off? There might be other explanations, confusion due to a lack of oxygen/depressurisation causing people to become confused and act erratically? Enter in the wrong co-ordinates pull the wrong plugs?

I am assuming they have irrefutable proof it was a criminal act that goes beyond this because along with the theory I posted upthread surely a simple accident is the most credible reason for this tragedy?

Red I don't think everyone is accepting things unquestioningly.

Re Ledgerwood's theory re tailgating the Singapore flight, Goldie didn't say that it was categorically impossible BUT that, on the balance of probabilities, it was very unlikely & cited reasons why. I haven't completely dismissed it out of hand; improbable does not neccesarily mean impossible.

I find it a bit odd that you come on here to suggest the theory as though it was new information to the thread; clearly you missed the discussion of said theory on previous pages? If you're not RTFT, I'm not sure how you can justifiably come to your conclusions re Goldie's posts tbh except perhaps that your nose was perhaps put out of joint that you weren't in actual fact providing revelatory new information?

Goldie I hope you come back & continue to give your answers in terms laymen can understand. Pprune has too many acronyms/supposes a good level of basic knowledge for my liking.

Delurking, I have read all of the threads.

I was wondering how long it would be before some nasty fuckwit would come along and throw a hissy fit because someone on the thread is cleverer than them.

If you honestly cannot tell the difference between someone casting an opinion (which of course can be proved wrong) and technical facts (none of which have been proven to be wrong) then you are incredibly stupid.

No one on here can possibly KNOW what has happened any more than anyone else. If people are knowledgeable enough to explain the more scientific aspects then I am absolutely grateful for that. It's fantastic to be able to intersperse the speculation with industry based and scientific knowledge.

It absolutely smacks of sexism to question Goldie's evident knowledge. I could almost guarantee if she came on and said "DH is an aeronautical engineer and he said..." There would be a chorus of "ooh, isn't he clever".

There is a significant shortage of women going into STEM careers and this attitude is exactly why.

Tiara;

"We are not allowed to question our glorious leader? Ridiculous. So easy to see how some countries get into the state that they do.
And fwiw, my questions about cyber attacks were ignored about 5 times on this thread and the second thread."

Like the rest of us, Goldie is a mum with a job and some expert knowledge; hers happens to be in the area of this thread. She's therefore being asked a lot of questions which she has a limited amount of time to answer and which she is answering some out of her own goodwill. Plenty of questions have been asked several times as different posters join the thread and Goldie has picked up a few questions to answer and then gone off to her life, always saying goodnight etc. There have been 2500 posts or whatever and there's only one aeronautical engineer (to my knowledge) posting. Of course not all questions will get answered. She's not a politician at a press conference.

And I don't think she thinks of herself as our "glorious leader" not does anyone think that of her; like PRH on the appeals threads or flowery on the HR threads, she's sharing her expertise because she's been asked to do so.

Goldie, I really hope you come back because I've been reading these threads specifically for your very interesting, clear and obviously knowledgeable posts. I am sure I am not alone in that! I would be extremely sorry to see you leave the thread because of a tiny minority of posters. Please don't go away!

There's questioning and then there's just being downright rude as a couple of posters have been.

Maybe no one had anything to say about cyber attacks. It is a specialised area after all. I do know that organised crime syndicates are always one step ahead of national governments in terms of cyber crime as there aren't enough resources to go around. And that the US receives a huge amount of attacks compared to any other country around the world. And those attacks seem to overwhelmingly originate from China (but that doesn't mean anything). And that they don't want people to know about it as it is such a weakness.

Or if people did know, perhaps they couldn't comment.

It's just another unsubstantiated theory. We still, as meditrina says, have very few facts so all we can do is postulate.

But fwiw here is an article yesterday from the Sydney Morning Herald on it, which was about the most reputable news source I could see with a full story. There may be others around?

www.smh.com.au/it-pro/security-it/missing-malaysia-airlines-flight-could-have-fallen-victim-to-worlds-first-cyberhijack-20140316-hvji3.html

Quite! Bit funny how Piglet John's posts on plumbing aren't taken to task!

I found this article on the cyber angle too. IT professional teccy website. Interesting comments too.

www.itproportal.com/2014/03/12/was-malaysia-airlines-flight-mh370-brought-down-by-a-cyber-attack/

And meditrina there's not much point in buying a paper any more is there?