So the verdict is apparently due in the Meredith Kercher murder trial today

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BBC Link

The appeal after the overturned convictions. I hope this can all be brought to a close now.

themurderofmeredithkercher.com/Raffaele_Sollecito%27s_Alibi

Flora - can you link to your evidence please and possibly explain why it was not shown in court?

Thankfully for you CosyTeaBags, you'll never be interrogated in such a terrifying why that leaves you confused and broken - the confused note was written after the interrogation when she had convinced herself she had amnesia and was trying to make sense of what happened - and was still terrified of the police, had been placed in solitary with no access to a lawyer.

This kind of confession is extremely common - if certain techniques are used, police can make you say whatever they want. And to quote the police "Amanda told us what we already knew to be true"

Is there evidence to support your claim Flora that the crucial police abuse tape is missing?

I'm on the fence BTW - but if this tape is missing and accusations of abuse are upheld then that's very serious and would lead to mistrial.

Well if you insist on ignoring all of the documented evidence showing what actually happened and going on conjecture about how terrible their questioning was without any evidence...
I'm off - no one has convinced me that they are innocent, in fact all of the assertions with no way to back them up just make me think people are clutching at straws.
US is a fine one to talk about 'interrogation' If you think they were telling porkies due to this questioning over a maximum of 2.5 days then perhaps look at some of the people being tortured for years by your own intelligence and apply that logic.

www.murderofmeredithkercher.com explains the lies

All evidence I mentioned was discussed in court - however, they don't seem to like science very much

The autopsy report clearly indicated that none of the meal Meredith had eaten at 6pm had passed to her duodenum - food starts entering your duodenum 3 hours after you begin eating - and it is medically unknown for this to take longer than 4 hours, unless there is some extreme gastric pathology, which Meredith didn't have. This clearly illustrates that Meredith most likely died close to 9pm and no later than 10pm. This is also backed up by the unusual activity on Meredith's phone shortly before 10pm (most likely someone who didn't speak or read English trying to switch off her phone and accidentally calling various numbers) - and the lack of normal activity by Meredith during that time as she would usually phone home, surf the Internet or send texts - she also hasn't taken washing out of the machine or switched on heating or even taken her jacket off - all indicating an attack close to when she returned home at 9pm and most likely from interrupting the known burglar Guede.

If a film was opened at 9:26 at Raffaele's and screensaver logs are subsequently noted, it makes it hard to see how they were involved - unless you ignore the science

The tape has always been missing. If indeed it ever existed in the first place. In fact the "confession" was ruled in admissable in court for the criminal trial. The prosecution got round that by using it in the civil case by Lumumba which then ran concurrently.

No one has seen the tapes - and so far about four excuses have been given for example, budget cuts, forgot to press play, lost and that Amanda wasn't a suspect - this is even though every other witness was taped and there phones were tapped and even a waiting ro on the police station was bugged so they could listen to them talking. Where are the tapes?

Www.murderofmeredithkercher.com

I wonder why that website was set up to so closely resemble the name of 'the murder of meredith kercher' website. Was it set up afterwards?

The original site was produced when a lot of the lies on the actual Wikipedia site were corrected - due to this the fake-wiki themurderofmeredithkercher site was produced to publicise the pro-guilt position. To counter the lies on this site the murderofmeredithkercher site was produced

The pro-guilt site that helped produce the fake-wiki is run by a known stalker of women who has threatened a number of journalists, for example Nin Burleigh who has been fairly balanced in her reporting, but does believe in their innocence

world.time.com/2013/03/29/the-amanda-knox-haters-society-how-they-learned-to-hate-me-too/

There is also a book about how the pro-guilt sites lost control of Wikipedia and the lies were corrected - it's a murky world

www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/B00CDU1H98

The original site was produced when a lot of the lies on the actual Wikipedia site were corrected - due to this the fake-wiki themurderofmeredithkercher site was produced to publicise the pro-guilt position. To counter the lies on this site the murderofmeredithkercher site was produced

The pro-guilt site that helped produce the fake-wiki is run by a known stalker of women who has threatened a number of journalists, for example Nin Burleigh who has been fairly balanced in her reporting, but does believe in their innocence

world.time.com/2013/03/29/the-amanda-knox-haters-society-how-they-learned-to-hate-me-too/

There is also a book about how the pro-guilt sites lost control of Wikipedia and the lies were corrected - it's a murky world

www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/B00CDU1H98

Who set up 'murder of Mededith Kurcher website'? Are you saying it was set up after 'the murder of Meredith Kurcher website' in order to mislead people? Yes, it is a murky world.

mislead is the wrong word. maybe.

confuse?

'the murder' site was set up by the pro-guilt sides after they lost control of the actual Wikipedia site and the lies on proper Wikipedia were corrected. It was definitely created to mislead and publicise their guilt. The pro-innocence sites then set up 'murder' to explain the lies

Not sure if that makes sense

I think that just shows why it is important not to believe hearsay, supposed statements of scientific fact with no supporting evidence, and conspiracy theories. Anyone can say anything to support their own theory, and none of us have any idea of what is true.

I'm sticking to reading the facts from the actual evidence presented to the actual trial. The same evidence that the judge considered, and found them guilty.

I think an experienced judge, presented with ALL of the documented evidence, is in a far better position to ascertain who was guilty than a bunch of untrained, unconnected strangers who can pick and choose which bits they want to believe based on which side of the fence they sit. (myself included).

THe court found them guilty. Unless they can come up with some very convincing evidence to prove that they are innocent - something they have failed to do during a criminal trial - then I think we should accept the court's judgement.

She'll never be extradited though, so she should be happy. I wonder what RS will do and say once he realizes he'll go back to jail while she gets to remain free...

\link{http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kercher_murder\this is the actual Wikipedia page about the murder} (not the 'wiki' page the guilters use)

It's carefully done & very interesting

Except a previous court found them innocent - and it is not just unconnected strangers that believe in their innocence, but many highly trained legal and forensic experts. It has to be one of the most hotly debated cases ever, which would suggest to me at least reasonable doubt.

Access to a fair trial is what has bothered me most about this case - and Amanda was tried and vilified by the media long before her trial started.

It also seems that 'facts' created in the Guede trial - for example the staging and multiple attackers have been used to convict Amanda and Raffaele - however, they had no representation at Guede's trial. This may possibly need to go the European Court of Human Rights to sort out - and Italy is pretty much at the top of human rights violations for Europe

This is fascinating (esp the bits in bold)

Having seen pictures of the state of the room, how could the court seriously think someone could obliterate all their own DNA from it with bleach? (Maybe this is where 'witchcraft' came from )

'Knox said she barely knew Guede; she pleaded not guilty to all charges, and remained in prison throughout the legal process. Knox and Sollecito's trial began on 16 January 2009 before Judge Giancarlo Massei, Deputy Judge Beatrice Cristiani, and six lay judges at the Corte d'Assise of Perugia.[146] Knox and Sollecito were accused of having gone to the house on the night of 1 November with Guede, and of having murdered Kercher in her bedroom. According to the prosecution's reconstruction, Knox had attacked Kercher, repeatedly banged her head against a wall, forcefully held her face, tried to remove her clothes, cut her with a knife, inflicted the fatal stab wound, and then took her two mobile phones and faked a burglary
[147] Guede's shoe prints, fingerprints, and DNA were found in the bedroom, his DNA was found on Kercher and her clothing, and his skin cells were inside her body. Guede's DNA mixed with Kercher's was in bloodstains on the inside of her shoulder bag.[148] No shoe prints, clothing fibers, hairs, fingerprints, skin cells or DNA of Knox were found on Kercher or in the room.[149][150] The prosecution alleged that all forensic traces in the bedroom which incriminated Knox had been wiped away by her and Sollecito [151][152]'

But it was the a legal system which tried her. Thankfully, not the media or politicized public opinion. But I do think the US media and AK's pr machine is gearing/has geared up to create a political out cry to stop her extradition to serve her sentence if her conviction is confirmed by the final court of law in Italy. People who have no real knowledge of the original case which a lot seems to still be in Italian.

It's the magic DNA Hoover

There was also no blood found on the clothes Amanda had been seen wearing an hour earlier - and no blood tracked back to Raffaele's flat - it's just impossible, blood is horrendously sticky and gets everywhere and is incredibly difficult to remove.

I work in a hospital and I've seen the mess that the tiniest drop of blood makes, it is just not believable that they were involved in a bloody murder and violent struggle and left no signs of them ever being there

Once again, the bits in bold are very telling

The Italian legal system doesn't come out of this at all well (& that prosecutor Mignini sounds positively dangerous)

'In their official report on the court's decision to overturn the convictions, the appeal judges wrote that the verdict of guilty at the original trial "was not corroborated by any objective element of evidence." Describing the police interviews of Knox as of "obsessive duration", the judges said that the statements she made incriminating herself during interrogation were evidence of her confusion while under "great psychological pressure" [176]'

\Link{http://www.thecommentator.com/article/3069/justice_taking_second_place_to_a_system_saving_face\Mignini}

Again, I hope this transcript of the court in Florence is translated into English. It will be interesting to read in the source document the real unedited wording of the trial. I wonder what would have come out if RS had been cross-examined?

I guess the people who carried out this trial are just not as knowledgeable or experienced or don't have access to the same evidence and expert opinions in the murder trial as us.