So the verdict is apparently due in the Meredith Kercher murder trial today

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BBC Link

The appeal after the overturned convictions. I hope this can all be brought to a close now.

Lion - that is the OFFICIAL crime scene footage - um filmed by the police or forensics or whatever official person came and took it. It wasn't me that popped by and videoed it to discredit the prosecution. I referred to the DM as the video shows nothing alarming. What AK would have seen when she went to have a shower. Whereas the DM published photos of a "bloodsoaked bathroom" all stained red. This was after they had sprayed chemicals every where in a search for evidence. Some people seem to be confused by this. I have SEEN the court photos.

Yes, the memory loss and framing of her boss plus lies all add up. Porto I think time of death was estimated later than 9pm, so sadly that hardly counts as an alibi.

The computer records are particularly damning. I.e. the computer was unused from early evening, despite him claiming to have been on the computer all evening. The call on his landline from his father, at 11pm, that they're are no records of...

So why do you continue to link to the footage when you have seen the blood marks? Because it suits your argument not to show the whole picture clearly.

Um, what is wrong with the footage? I am interesting in anything that puts them at the scene of the murder. As I can see nothing that does.

I once read a book about women who kill. The police called it the 'Demon Influence'. A man generally kills and runs in panic. A woman covers the body in an act of 'compassion' and in sheer terror of the body locks or ties the door shut to prevent being 'followed'.

Jane Andrews (Fergie's ex employee) murdered her boyfriend and did both of those things and there were lots of other examples of identical behaviour from women who have killed.

I must look up what the book was called. Meredith was covered up and the door locked.

Amanda Knox was clearly a demon then. Let's convict her of that.

It was only a book I read. Just like the news stories we have all read.

I think it is all a huge miscarriage of justice - based on character assassination rather than evidence

I know a lot of people struggle to get past the supposed confession, which named Lumumba. However, she was a socially immature 20-year-old girl who had spent 50-hours being questioned over five days - and was now being interrogated overnight - I think I would have been exhausted, in shock and truly terrified - and would likely have totally broken down.

They kept calling her a liar and hitting her on the back of the head if she couldn't remember something. They told her they had proof that she was there and that Raffaele had claimed she had left the flat - and if she didn't remember she would never see her family again. At the time she could barely understand or speak English. They brought in a translater, who instead of just translating told her a story about how she lost her memory after an injury - and kept telling Amanda that the shock had caused her to have amnesia.

Lumumba's name had been suggested as she had replied 'see you later' to his message that he didn't need her to come into work that night - and the police took this to mean she had arranged to meet him later.

This all led to a confused statement where she named Lumumba - false confessions are really common and if she had been involved she would have crumbled and blamed Guede. To quote the police the next day "Amanda told us what we already knew to be true"

The Guardian interview explained it better - she comes across quite agitated, which is understandable - and I know I would be a proper nutcase if I'd been through what she has

www.theguardian.com/world/video/ ... ilty-video

People might claim that the interrogation wasn't this brutal - however, to prove this we would need to see the tapes of the evening, which somehow mysteriously disappeared

It's also intersting to note that initially Lumumba claimed to have been beaten and racially abused by the police, which does corroborate the story Amanda has given. She was also heard to be screaming in the police station that night.

And I think a lot of the confusions with Raffaele's statements happened due to him being an habitual smoker and spending most of his time stoned. How many permanently stoned college students can give an accurate hour-by-hour description of what they did five nights a go.

Cannabis makes you an idiot with a terrible memory, but it doesn't make you a violent murderer

And don't even start me on the medical information from the autopsy. The time of death according to the medical evidence was likely close to 9pm and no later than 10pm. Raffaele had computer activity at 9:26 (opening a cartoon to watch) and subseuquent screen saver logs, which make it impossible for him to have been there.

The guilty verdict was so shockingly anti-science and completely ignored the medical evidence - and don't seem to care that the forensics had been widely discredited.

Can you outline the EVIDENCE that would make them guilty beyond reasonable doubt then, please?

We don't need to OP, that was done in court. And they were found guilty.

Flora

AK said the police hit her. She lied about a lot of things and changed her story......................didn't she? So did her boyfriend.

How many permanently stoned college students can give an accurate hour-by-hour description of what they did five nights a go.

I have never been stoned, so I don't really know. But surely, surely if you find out someone has been brutally murdered the very next day, and you're in the frame, you would have a pretty good hard think about what you were doing the night before and try and fix that in your memory.

And even if you couldn't remember the specifics of what you had been doing, surely you would remember which house you were in (in Amanda's case)

And if we're going with the 'too stoned to even know which house I'm in' theory... then how did she remember that her boyfriend washed her ears, if she didn't even know where she was???

I'm not that familiar with the case, so I'm prepared to be told I'm wrong - but I just don't get it. At all.

I started out believing them to be innocent but this thread and everything else I have read has changed my mind
I believe them to be involved in some form
Why the lying? and why didn't he back up the alibi if they were together all night?
And, if that statement was written by AK it does her no help at all

I've been stoned - drunk and stoned and god knows what else when I was an idiot

The explanation of confusion thanks to drugs does not wash with me. You know where you are after having a couple of spliffs. That's all they've claimed to have.

There's a letter here from Knox to the judges, written very recently.

Sorry for DM link
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2550169/Amanda-Knox-Read-2-000-word-cri-coeur-letter-sent-convince-Italian-judges-wasnt-guilty-murder-It-didnt-change-minds-change-yours.html

They knew where they were - the only time they said they were anywhere different was under extreme interrogation. They were confused about times they ate as didn't have watches and were stoned.

If people don't believe Amanda was hit, why do you think the tapes of the interrogation disappeared - even though all other witnesses were taped and there phones were wire-tapped? Why was she denied access to a lawyer and why did Lumumba claim to be beaten and racially abused?

If guilty, why on earth didn't they agree on exactly what they did? And why on earth didn't they just blame Guede and why are they still protecting him - his DNA was in her vagina and his involvent has been minimised to 'also there'

And how on earth did Meredith die whilst there was computer activity at Raffaele's flat - it's impossible.

From The Murder of Meridith Kurcher website.

"Every version of his alibi has Raffaele using his computer. We know, however, that there was no computer internet activity after 9:10:32 pm, when the video file Amelie.avi stopped playing.[19] That activity could have been caused by the movie ending, without any human interaction.[20] The last computer activity that required human interaction was at 6:27:15 pm, when the movie file started playing.[21] There was no computer activity for the entire night. Firefox was open but no browsing occurred. There was a P2P program active, and Quicktime connected to Apple's servers on port 80 for 4 seconds at 12:58 am, but there was no human interaction.[22] The police contacted Sollecito's ISP provider (FastWeb), and the logs from that night show no webpage requests.[23]

This is a problem for Raffaele and Amanda's version of events. In every version of his story Raffaele puts himself on the computer. In the first version it is just a general claim that they were on the computer, in the second version he is very specific that he was on the computer from 11 pm until 1 am when Amanda returned, in his book he states that he was writing e-mails to his professors. In the second version of Raffaele Sollecito's story includes a claim that his father called him on his landline at 11pm the night of the murder but Officer Chiacchiera testified that there was no record of this call.[24] "

Sadly Flora that is simply not true. RS changed his story at least 2 times and then said that he and AK were not together at the time. This was not intensive questioning at this point - this was after he was shown the phone records that didn't match their story.

"In my previous statement I told a load of rubbish because Amanda had convinced me of her version of the facts and I didn't think about the inconsistencies" - RS

And also why was there no blood on the clothes she had been seen wearing one hour earlier?
Why has so much potentially exculpatory evidence been lost or destroyed?
Four computer hard drives were destroyed by the police
The police surfed the Internet and opened films on Raffaele's computer, over-riding times and making it hard for him to prove his alibi
A number of wire-tapped phone calls of Amanda and Raffaele just disappeared - likely because they clearly indicated they were innocent
Why have the prosecution refused to test the semen stain found on a pillow under Meredith's body?
Why have the defence still not received the controls and electronic data files from the DNA testing - and this is massive corruption anywhere else in the world as without them you've basically been given a photo-copy of the result?
Why did the prosecution refuse to open up the knife after the Independent experts advised that if it was the murder weapon, blood would have seeped into the handle?
Why was the only witness to see them outside of Raffaele's, high on heroin, confused about the dates, had been a witness for the prosecution at three other trials - and actually ended up giving them an alibi for the time of death as he claimed to have seen them from before 9:30 until midnight.

I find the whole case bizarre - it should be a fairly simple murder. Rudy Guede was a known burglar, who broke into second story windows by throwing a rock. He had broken into a number of properties in the last few weeks and had threatened someone that caught him with a knife. Most likely Meredith Kercher came home that night around 9pm, interrupted a burglary and was sexually assaulted and murdered - all the evidence points to this. He was a known woman bothered and fits the profile - whereas it is extremely rare for a woman to kill and there is nothing in Amanda's background to indicate a propensity for violence

Instead we have the prosecution's increasingly bizarre theories of a satanic rite, a sex game gone wrong and most recently an argument over Guede leaving a poo in the toilet. And all of this is supposed to have happened before 10pm, even though they were watching films on Raffaele's computer at almost 9:30 - and there is no evidence to support any of it. Do people really believe that Amanda stabbed Meredith because Meredith was cross about Rudy's poo? And then the boys joined in and Rudy sexually assaulted Meredith as she lay bleeding - and then they all protect each other by maintaining silence for the next six years - why on earth haven't they all turned on each other?

It's such a huge miscarriage of justice - but I think Amanda has been vilified so much by our tabloids and people have such little understanding of false confessions, that hardly anyone seems to care.

They knew where they were - the only time they said they were anywhere different was under extreme interrogation. They were confused about times they ate as didn't have watches and were stoned. Read AK's handwritten note, stating that the didn't know where she was, and didn't know what she did.

If I discovered my flatmate brutally murdered in my flat, I would damn well know where I had been the night before. And if I had been present in the next room while she was being murdered, hearing her screams (as AK suggested herself she may have been), I would damn well remember that for the rest of my life, rather than thinking I may have remembered it but wasn't sure if it was real or not.

That bit for me just does not add up.

The computer file opened at 9:26 was called Naruto and was accepted in the latest trial

Again - this site links to what the court saw, the EVIDENCE and this is their alibi page which clearly shows there was no computer activity past 9:10 when the avi finished playing. It also shows what was going on while the two claimed to be fast asleep...
themurderofmeredithkercher.com/Raffaele_Sollecito%27s_Alibi