So the verdict is apparently due in the Meredith Kercher murder trial today

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BBC Link

The appeal after the overturned convictions. I hope this can all be brought to a close now.

Sorry that's Porto's link

I thought it said the mixed blood was due to incompetent forensic swabbing?

I haven't really followed the case, but blimey that written account from AK is bizarre . Even if it was translated from Italian into English that doesn't account for its weirdness.

A psychologist would have a field day with some of it:

After that I believe we relaxed in his room together, perhaps I checked my email. Perhaps I read or studied or perhaps I made love to Raffaele. In fact, I think I did make love with him.

I think that's a classic case of someone lying, but not quite able to bring themselves to state the full lie, So instead of saying "We did this, I did that", she hedges it with 'perhaps' to soften the lie a little.

Everything I have said in regards to my involvement in Meredith's death, even though it is contrasting, are the best truth that I have been able to think.

I think that comment speaks for itself.

In truth, I do not remember exactly what day it was, but I do remember that we had a shower and we washed ourselves for a long time. He cleaned my ears, he dried and combed my hair.

So while unable to remember what she did during this crucial time, she was able to remember a very specific detail like RS cleaning her ears. I think that's because that bit is true - they cleaned each other up after the event.

This is obviously just my amateur psychologist's analysis of it, I would LOVE to hear what a real psychologist would make of it.

I don't think RS making a statement about AK's alibi (and his I suppose) and then giving different takes on it is quite so straightforward.

themurderofmeredithkercher.com/Raffaele_Sollecito%27s_Alibi#Version_2.0

No sure whether this has been posted already, but this links to a CNN Interview with a Harvard Law Professor, who seems to think that, despite the claims of Knox's supporters, the case against her is very strong.

I would urge caution with using any of the pro/con websites probably. The murder one linked to above does not even tie in with the court transcripts /evidence presented and there are lot of inaccuracies.

Trouble with that 'Myths debunked' site is that it is all based on news reports, people who are speculating on what they have read and her mother who was also not there. IIRC She was doing cartwheels by a lift and in the car park and according to AK herself, attracting attention from police officers doing various 'stretches'.

Kein - yes, if she was tried in US she would be facing the electric chair in some states. It's another of those situations where US feels the rest of the world is inferior to them - their court is better, policemen are better detectives, less contamination of evidence etc etc.

The murder one linked to above does not even tie in with the court transcripts /evidence presented and there are lot of inaccuracies.
^^ likewise the 'myths debunked' includes many unsubstantiated claims.
However there are copies of court and interview transcripts online which do seem to present the facts unfiltered by pr or media bias. (I say seem because I haven't read the originals in Italian).

If she was in the US I doubt she would even have been charged tbh.

portofino do you have a vested interest in AK?

Rudy Guede did say AK + RS were present. He was at the Hellmann appeal. Following taken from link below.

"Guede was quoted by the prosecutor general in the appeal, not to be heard on the facts of the night but to clarify whether he had said the things the witness Alessi claimed he had, cited by the defense for Knox (Alessi's claim is that Guede had confided in him that Knox was not present that night). Guede was then asked if he had ever written a letter in which he explicitly accused Knox and Sollecito of being present and participating in the murder; to this he answered in the affirmative, justifying the disclosure as a necessary reaction to the claims of Alessi."

This following is long. It talks about the Hellmann appeal and things that were discredited or not investigated fully which led to AK + RS's release.

However, it goes on to explore how these things may were disregarded too easily and gives more explanation about why the appeal was annulled and the AK + RS were retried. It will be good when the findings of the court are published. I hope there is an English version.

themurderofmeredithkercher.com/English_Summary_of_the_Supreme_Court_of_Cassation_Motivation_Report
That report really put it in perspective, Keinbock.

Kate - yes they present the available evidence and the prosecution and defence arguments.

Alessi is a convicted murderer (of a 2 yr old) and his story that RG confided in him has been given very little credence in Italy. Either for/against RS/AK.

(It is quite common for prisoners in Italy, generally organised crime ones, to "collaborate with justice" in order to have their own sentences reduced)

Sticky - no not at all. I have just followed this for a long time and been on many a thread on MN about it I questioned the DM type reporting and read up. There is a huge amount of information on the internet, from the trials, from journalists, from the people who have set big web sites either pro/con. I read about it and made up my own mind about what happened.

The thing that has confused me most is the total lack of evidence for the sex game motive. Where and why the hell did they pull that? They can use cirucumstancial evidence to inidicate that Knox may have been complicit in the cover or clean up, or in letting Rudy into the flat, but this sex game theory seems to have been conjured out of thin air! Unless there is some other evidence supporting this theory that we are not privy to?

The ONLY things that gave any evidence to the theory that RG did not act alone was the DNA on the knife - not even shown to be the murder weapon - and the DNA on the bra clasp - which was highly compromised. Both were discounted at the appeal. There is NOTHING at all that puts AK/RS at the scene of the crime. Nothing. RG left lots of evidence at the crime scene - a palm print that enabled him to be caught and DNA in and on the body of poor Meredith Kercher, Upon arrest he never even mentioned the other 2 - that came MUCH later.

The 3 parties barely knew each other, I think RS had never met RG at all. The idea that they should gang together to rape and murder someone is ludicrous. I don't see why it so hard to understand that the most ikely scenario is true - that RG raped and murdered Meredith. This is what the evidence supports. The rest is all "odd behaviour" and smoke and mirrors.

How about the letter AK wrote 'imagining' herself in the kitchen with her hands over her ears hearing Meredith screaming? Was that made up as well? Or are we putting that down as pressure at the time?

I don't doubt you have done research Porto, but sadly the majority of things on the web have been paid for by her family/PR company/US citizens and parties with vested interests in her being innocent. The only other side is the trial transcripts and one website built largely on the trail content.

It really is amazing that anyone accused of anything abroad isn't slung into prison if stress reacts so badly on people after a few hours of being questioned in another language

AK sent an email, the next day I think, explaining what she had said. I think this is what you are referring to? Of course the majotity of stuff on the web hasb't been paid for by her family. Foreign journalists/trial transcripts/anti websites. How much influence do you think they have? They are not rich like Raffaele's family.

And I haven't seen any accusations about HIS family influencing anything.

Porto, by reiterating continually that "there is no evidence," you seem to be suggesting that your Google searches around this topic have made you more of an authority than, for argument's sake, the Harvard professor I linked to above, who maintains that there is in fact considerable evidence against AK.
I have not followed this case very closely, but I can certainly recognise a jaundiced view when I see one.

Evidence that RG did not act alone: The staged break-in which was deemed to have occured after the murder, due to positioning of broken glass. And also the locked door, which apparently could not have been done by RG due to the positioning of footprints.

My google searches? Can you outline the EVIDENCE that would make them guilty beyond reasonable doubt then, please? The Harvard guy doesn't count really - he was mainly talking about extraditon.