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Child taken from womb? Truth into darkness....

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LakeDistrictBabe · 13/12/2013 20:20

Ok, the old thread is nearly full. If you read the other three, I don't need to re-write everything again ;)

But you know I am referring to the case involving an Italian mother and the British social services.
Opinions welcome.

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Spero · 20/12/2013 11:17

Very moving post Kewcumber.

The needs of the child get overlooked by some as they are so keen to promote the rights of (male) heads of families to control children or say that 'nationality' trumps everything.

And that's going to be quite tricky for a baby with an Italian mother and African father.

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LakeDistrictBabe · 20/12/2013 11:24

kewcumber

I hope people are not suggesting that if your birth family want you to move and be raised in a different culture because it will result in a better life for you that is OK but if you have no birth family competent to take care of you that you must stay in your heritage country even if that means a life in care.

Whenever I feel a slight pang at what I took DS away from, I think of reading him Harry Potter at bedtime (still) and how he still rushes out of school with his face lit up to tell me he has won the Target Smasher award of the week and how he looks for me in the audience at the school carol service and doesn't settle until he's spotted me and grins. Because he knows that he is the most important thing in my world and that is as it should be - every child should be the most important thing in somebodies world. And in care they're not, they're just not, and they know it.

What an amazing and heartfelt beautiful post Kew. Best wishes to you and your lovely child Thanks

But thats OK because they'll be Italian and I'm sure that will be a great consolation to them.

Yep, pretty sure. Well, considering that 60% of Italians are packing their suitcases to migrate elsewhere, baby P. would be very happy to migrate in the opposite direction, it would be so lovely to live in poverty yet full of Italian heritage all around her. I can give her mine on request, if she likes.
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What to say... Some people speaks because they have a mouth.

(Yes, I could have also used the quote you mentioned in your post hehe)

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ClairesTravellingCircus · 20/12/2013 11:32

Delurking to say that your post brought tears to my eyes Kew. Your ds is extremely lucky.

I also don't get all the fuss about nationality: after all it's a pure accident where you end up being born.

Anyway, it doesn't look like italian ss were falling head over heels to get this italian baby back, so what shod the uk do? Just hand it over to border control police?

ClairesTravellingCircus · 20/12/2013 11:35

*should not shod

Kewcumber · 20/12/2013 11:38

DS isn't really lucky at all when you think it through. He has what every child should have as their right and it was very unlucky for him that he had to lose his birth family and his birth country and spend a year in an institution to get what he deserved.

I, on the other hand, am extremely lucky because in another universe someone else would have adopted him and wouldn't have done at all.

Kewcumber · 20/12/2013 11:38

But thank you for the sentiment... I should say!

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LakeDistrictBabe · 20/12/2013 11:50

ClaireTravellingcircus

I also don't get all the fuss about nationality: after all it's a pure accident where you end up being born.

Exactly :)

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MadameDefarge · 20/12/2013 11:57

I sometimes feel guilty that I don't invest any time in cultivating DSs rich and varied cultural heritage.

But to do so would involve ping ponging around the globe from the Philippines to Scandinavia via Ireland and the home counties.

TBH to home counties scare me more than Manila.

DS is not adopted btw.

But amazingly, considers himself more Canadian than anything else.

Oh weirdy boy.

ClairesTravellingCircus · 20/12/2013 11:58

Sorry kew I missed one vital bit: he's lucky to have you as a mother.

But you're right that every child has a right to loving parents.

CarpeVinum · 20/12/2013 13:09

My son is half Italian, half English. We all live in Italy. And I have worked hard to create an enviroment where he is bilingual and bicultural.

Brava me.

But, it is small potatoes compared to what we have done and chosen as a couple to create an enviroment where he is growing up loved, safe, confident, happy and in a postion to make the most of his strengths and work on his weaknesses.

That last is what I am more invested in, more concerned with continuing, and thenpart ai'll be most proud of if things stay on track and I send him out in the world in a good postion to make of his life that which he wishes.

The bilingual/bicultural, that's the cherry, not the cake.

CarpeVinum · 20/12/2013 14:42

sorry, forgot to add, the above was to Holly and any other handwringers who think the child should have been DHLed back to Italy regardless of the lack of effort put in on this side of the alps to make that happen.

Not that I blame this side of the alps for not making that happen. Most people here know (far better than any of the HemmingStyleExpertsinEverything clan) what kind of life and outcomes await a mixed race child, with a mentally ill mother who suffers from an unstable condition, in long term foster care or an institution... in Italy.

I think few here in Italy who were involved in the case would wish that for this child.

johnhemming · 20/12/2013 15:10

Spero has complained that I have not been able to respond. It is difficult to type wearing the handcuffs that the police had put on me.

See here:
twitter.com/yardleyMPoffice/status/413998504089227264

Spero may be pleased that the police saw fit to place handcuffs on me. However, sadly for Spero the key was found and at some stage in the future I will respond. It would be helpful if there was a summary of what people think I need to respond to in a single post otherwise I cannot guarantee to answer all questions.

CarpeVinum · 20/12/2013 15:28

Oh yes sir, no sir, three bags full sir. We'll get the MN "special poster's PA" on to it pronto sir!

One more for the collection.

Spero · 20/12/2013 15:46

I am quite confident you will never answer a single question I raise.

But I will have one last try.

Are you sorry you named the baby and her sisters on this forum?

Do you feel any regret or remorse for that?

YoniMatopoeia · 20/12/2013 15:57

JH please couldyou say sorry for naming the children

YoniMatopoeia · 20/12/2013 15:58

Do you feel any remorse for that john hemming?

nennypops · 20/12/2013 16:03

Basic forum principle: you want to reply to a post, you go and find the post you want to reply to. If it's a question directed to you, the same applies. If you can't be bothered, then you'll just have to live with everyone's reasonable assumption that you are ignoring questions because you haven't got an answer, which after all is no different from your practice throughout this and the previous three threads.

MadameDefarge · 20/12/2013 16:13

Will consecutive posts suffice?

Do you have any evidence that children are being taken into care in order to fulfil adoption targets and so gain bonuses?

Just stick with the evidence of children being taken into care needlessly, once you have provided that, you can then show us proof that the motivation behind it was to provide children for placing for adoption.

MadameDefarge · 20/12/2013 16:52

And will you stop making this a grudge match against Spero.

Spero is not alone in thinking your actions fall far far short of those expected of a decent human, let alone an elected member of parliament.

Is that what you like to do? pick on an individual amongst your detractors and focus your venom on them?

You need to spread it out a bit. You know, share the, er lurrrve.

CarpeVinum · 20/12/2013 17:02

Spero is not alone in thinking your actions fall far far short of those expected of a decent human, let alone an elected member of parliament.

Nope.

I Am Spero-ticus!

NanaNina · 20/12/2013 17:18

He likes to single someone out - it was me on another thread. Oh and how vomit inducing is the picture of him with the handcuffs - anything for a bit of publicity .........

Spero · 20/12/2013 17:21

It must be because I am the only one he can threaten, because I am the only one who he knows exists in real life.

It is alarming that he thinks this is either an appropriate or sensible way to behave. His PR team must have been on the egg nog from very early December.

Spero · 20/12/2013 17:25

Just clicked on that photo link. How interesting. I have just tweeted Yardley police to ask why they weren't arresting him for contempt of court and to say I must have missed that change to the law that said MPs were above it.

If I get any reply I will fall off the sofa in shock.

johnhemming · 20/12/2013 17:55

Will consecutive posts suffice?
No. I have to go to Brownies soon and it is the Xmas party. Hence I don't have the time to rummage around posts.

Do you have any evidence that children are being taken into care in order to fulfill adoption targets and so gain bonuses?
Yes. The statistics.

Just stick with the evidence of children being taken into care needlessly,
once you have provided that, you can then show us proof that the
motivation behind it was to provide children for placing for adoption.
There are enough of these. I had a very good discussion on Wednesday with the campaign group Women Against Rape who were unhappy about women who were victims of domestic violence being used as a source of children with whom to satisfy the adoption targets.

Just look at the jump in numbers of children.

They also had another case of a child being taken into care because of parental racism.

Off to Brownies (as you know I go to the pub, but my daughter goes to Brownies).

YoniMatopoeia · 20/12/2013 18:21

Your 'statistics' didn't show me anything. Especially as you have not explained what the column headings actually mean.