So it's alleged nigella took drugs with her kids?

[Bradsplit]

In the trial prosecution evidence. Aha.

The thing is he doesn't really have an image to maintain. (Or if he did he could easily have avoided damaging it by not doing what he did at that restaurant).

She has actively avoided engaging with him.

Having said that, her books are about facing adversity with great cooking, not about being perfect. If her career depends on her pretending to have a perfect life she might be damaged. However, I don't think it does, and that is a hard image to maintain indefinitely whoever you marry.

Do people recover from the humiliation and shame of a court case like this? I think so.

She may have recovered already from the marriage and divorce, but is getting roughed up again by C.S.

So far she's stood up for herself nicely.

No reason why she won't pick herself up, move on and be happy. She's done it before - she can bounce back.

Maybe her next book will be - 'Gonna wash that man right out of my hair cooking' ...

plinkyplonks, out of interest, what are your views on habitual users of alcohol? Or do you reserve your sanctimony for 'Class A' self-medicants?

Animation. I think that you and I are going to have to agree to disagree on your last next to last post.

currentbuns - that's a bit unnecessary. I was hoping we'd all get through this thread without personal slurs.

I think any crutch that has a negative impact on health or others should be a concern. I seldom drink. I don't use drink or drugs as a coping strategy. I don't like it when people drink/take drugs/smoke as a coping strategy as I think it's almost a form of self harm. Even my beloved chocolate can be harmful if it altered my mood detrimentally i.e. I became aggitated, or impacted my health - i.e binge eating, diabetes etc.

There are other more positive coping strategies available. When we're down obviously we are not in the best position to choose the best strategies for the short and long term. However, that's why i said habitual drug use shouldn't be minimised - especially if negative (and illegal) 'crutches' are being used to deal with difficult life issues.

I don't like it when people drink/take drugs/smoke as a coping strategy as I think it's almost a form of self harm

Have you been given the impression that Nigella Lawson would disagree with this? (Although I imagine that at the point that her late husband was taking drugs he would have argued that he was past the point of worrying about self harm).

Background: I was around when John Diamond died. He wanted NL to find a good man before he died, so she wouldn't be lonely, had someone to look out for her, someone to take care of her and support her. He encouraged her to go out dating. She brought CS home to meet JD, who gave his 'seal of approval'. No one was hovering around anyone really. NL was trying to follow JD's dying wish, that she would have a good man in her life after he had gone. It must have been horrific for her really, and I doubt either she or JD were in a position to make good judgements. CS I'm sure is capable of being utterly charming when he wants to be. Duped them both, imo.

I don't much care whether NL stuffed the whole crop of columbian up her nose or not. I do care that her 2nd h was a nasty psychopath.

CS and John Diamond played scrabble together at a scrabble club. That was how CS came to know NL and how he cmae to be very taken with her.

When it became clear John Diamond was not going to live, he made it known that he would wish Nigella to be well looked after following his death.

And CS made it plain he wanted to be the man to look after her.

NL jumped far too soon IMVHO. But that's often the way when someone is bereft.

Currentbuns, I guess the difference is that drinking alcohol is legal whilst taking class A drugs isn't.

I agree with others, this thread is about Nigella's drug taking, not her relationship with CS or about the courtcase, (which presumably we shouldn't be discussing anyway?).

For what it's worth, since she admitted to the drug taking in a court, I think she should be questioned by the police and cautioned otherwise what is the point of having drug laws? And IF she did smoke joints in front of her kids what on earth was she thinking, her husband died from a horrible disease probably caused by smoking (from what I remember of JD's Times columns he believed this)?

I agree with Thecatisatwat.. Also, buying illegal drugs puts money in the pockets of the most hideously cruel, vile, murdering gangsters and warlords. NL is a pratt IMO. I bet she buys ethical f***g fruit and veg' though.

This thread just reeks of schadenfreude - some people appear to be practically jumping up and down with glee that NL has been bought down a peg or two and they've been given a platform to have a go at her (cue sanctimony over how dreadful class A drugs are and won't someone think of the kiddies).

Really unedifying.

so buying drugs from gangsters is a good thing then?

No it's not a good thing. Nobody has said it is a good or wise thing to do. Oh to live an entirely blameless life never having done a not good thing.

Buying Class A's is rewarding heartless killers who terrorise communities in third world countries through murder, rape and intimidation. Take a look at what is happening in parts of Mexico.

They probably import schadenfreude and all,, whatever the f**k that is??

Is NL saying it's a good thing? No. I could understand a strong response if she was taking a "yeah, so what, no regrets" line, but she isn't. She's stated that she regrets it and in retrospect realises it was a bad idea.

NL is old and rich enough to know better. If she's suffering at the hands of CS or anyone else she could jump on a taxi, or on a plane and piss off away as far as she likes for as long as she might care to. See any councillor, shrink, or hire a team of arm guards if she likes. Sitting on her arse and snorting Coke is pathetic.

Schadenfreude is taking an unseemly delight in someone else's misfortune.

As illustrated in the previous post flippin

What a lovely post MrsWarbouys.

I don't think Nigella has said the drug taking was a good plan. Nor was it habitual or extensive. Perhaps you've never done anything wrong.

Plinkyponk for all that alcohol is legal, habitual drinking is a damaging to health and children as any drug taking. Smoking is legal but it'll kill you. The legality of damaging actions doesn't make them less damaging.

So if drugs were legal, no one would be putting money in the pockets of criminals.

No gangster has got rich off one person using coke a total of 7 times and smoking a few spliffs. She's not single-handedly responsible for the bloody drug trade, for crying out loud. And since when has age and wealth led people to choose perfect, healthy coping techniques? People are still people, human psychology is what it is, people fuck up all the time and in much worse ways than this.

She's done nothing that millions of others haven't. Give the woman a break.

I have tried to let a couple of things on here go, but I cant.

nouvellevag. The drugs industry is not just Nigella!

Smoking is legal but it will kill you.
No. it kills some people.

I am vehemently against drug taking but my sympathies are with Nigella here. She is not on trial for drug offences, she is a witness in a trial of two of her staff, one of whom has hurt her deeply by breaking her trust and stealing from her. Just after a very messy divorce. And having also suffered from the loss of three close family members from cancer and an abusive childhood.

Her private life is private.

Who am I to judge it?

I think she is behaving with great dignity in the face of intense provocation.