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So it's alleged nigella took drugs with her kids?

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Bradsplit · 26/11/2013 15:09

In the trial prosecution evidence. Aha.

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LittleBearPad · 06/12/2013 23:25

Oh well if it kills some people that's ok then...

MadameDefarge · 06/12/2013 23:33

No its not ok. I have personally known someone who died of a heart attack in their early forties induced by a severe cocaine habit.

Its a shit drug. but sometimes people do shit things to themselves.

If they happen to manage to bring up their kids ok and function. They are not in the grip of a serious cocaine habit.

I don't like it. I have taken it, it does nothing for me.

But I am not going to judge any person who takes drugs in society. There but for the grace of god....

And equally for a woman is is being accused as a habitual drug taker when none of of can none the truth, other than it is being submitted as evidence in a trial she must partake in.

There is no evidence NL did any of the things she has been accused of.

Good on her for admitting the times she has used drugs.

She admits it was stupid, and didn't help. But personally if my dh said on the verge of death, I always wondered what coke was like, I too might well be persuaded to partake.

mathanxiety · 07/12/2013 01:45

This reply has been deleted

Once again you are attempting to derail this thread into a 'but he did X, what a [insert remark here]'. There are countless other threads for this purpose. She has taken class A drugs and she is a parent. This is the point we are trying to discuss (...

TheCatThatSmiled · 07/12/2013 02:03

I'm an awesome mother to grown up stable, I dependant kids. I did a fabulous job. I hold down a responsible job that requires me to be squeaky clean. Not so much as a ccj.

I fully intend, at some point, to get coked off my tits before I die. Because I can, and it will hurt no one.

I will never be a victim of an bastard (again). That would hurt me and everyone who loves me.

I know what's a bad habit and what isn't.

GoshAnneGorilla · 07/12/2013 02:45

math. Thank you for breaking down exactly why this attempted demonising of Nigella is so disturbing.

Animation · 07/12/2013 02:57

Yes it's very disturbing and that IS the crux of the matter.

Well said Mathanxiety.

limitedperiodonly · 07/12/2013 09:06

I've never done illegal drugs but I'm sitting on my arse wearing a pair of toasty bedsocks from Primark.

I wonder how many of the anti-drug posters own items purchased from stores with similar miserable employment practices in the Third World.

Jux · 07/12/2013 14:06

Yes, to math. Yes, to TheCat. Yes, to Limited.

plinkyplonks · 07/12/2013 14:11

Math - I've reported your post to the mods because I am sick and tired of being defamed by you in this thread. Your arguing points that people haven't made and twisting what people have said.

BasilBabyEater · 07/12/2013 14:52

I hope MN doesn't delete Math's post because the point is, she has broken down exactly what the problem is with this thread (and their ilk) in the first place.

flippinada · 07/12/2013 15:19

Mathanxiety is absolutely spot on in her analysis. I hope her posts stay up too.

nouvellevag · 07/12/2013 15:36

"The drugs industry is not just Nigella!"

Golddigger, that's my point. This is a thread about Nigella. So why the shit are people visiting all the sins of the drug trade on one very occasional user?

merrymouse · 07/12/2013 16:01

If you are maligning an identifiable person's character in the light of alleged rather than proven or admitted cocaine use infront of their children I think that would be defamation.

Animation · 07/12/2013 16:22

I also hope Mathanxiety's post isn't deleted - she has very methodically outlined how easy it is to denegrate a woman in court when she is not the person on trial.

The focus is supposed to be on whether or not these 2 women stole money.You would think that would be pretty straight forward.

Jux · 07/12/2013 17:34

She has admitted to using a handful of times in her life. She has said it was stupid and she regrets it. Does that sound like someone who is an habitual user? No. Does she sound like someone who is a danger to society? No. She sounds like a human being who lives and works in a place where drug use is rife, who has had a go. Nothing particularly unusual about that.

I hope they don't delete Maths' post. It was very apt and perceptive, and people should think hard about it.

limitedperiodonly · 07/12/2013 17:53

Oh stop with the dramatics plinkyplonks. Mathanxiety has not defamed you. She's disagreed strongly. And I'm another one who agrees with her.

Alwayscheerful · 07/12/2013 18:06

Thank you for your post Math. I agree with you.

Juliet123456 · 07/12/2013 19:03

The whole thread is dodgy really. Other websites such as those of the newspapers don't allow comment on active cases.

I don't think CS can be called abusive. I think he can be pretty nasty and probably also has other qualities NL admired and he is difficult to live with, too old for her and doesn't take part in family life or so it has been said by NL in court. He is probably controlling and as she was described as geisha like and has said she liked compliance and no confrontation initially it must have seemed like a match made in heaven - both I think Jewish, she happy in a sense to submit to him etc etc. Then it went wrong as relationships often do and his brilliance at being nasty was probably particularly awful to live with and NL has taken the right decision to go.

I also think they were right to have the £600k theft prosecuted and also I suspect there will not necessarily be perfection on the NL side even though she's female. It will be like most nasty divorces and in most of those actually the man does not want a divorce (but is not prepared to change how be behaves to make his wife want to stay with him). The drug taking is pretty irrelevant and sounds occasional but not wise of her, not that everyone is always wise. She thinks CS was briefing the media about it. If he were then it just gets NL more supporters so as a PR thing in my view will not damage her at all and will just make him look worse.

OddFodd · 07/12/2013 19:33

You don't think CS could be called abusive Juliet? When you've (presumably) seen the photos of him assaulting her for which he was charged.

Christ Sad

mathanxiety · 08/12/2013 04:07

Juliet --

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/10134812/CHARLES-SAATCHI-THE-WIVES-TALE.html

NL wasn't his first wife and probably won't be his last.

And yes, those photos. And the caution.

(And they are already divorced, but it is a telling comment on the current case that you think they are still embroiled in the divorce process)

Ilovewhippets · 08/12/2013 08:48

I don't think Nigella is an addict - she looks too healthy. In our local chemist I sometimes see addicts being given methadone by the pharmacist. They look quite poorly and depressed and I feel sorry for them.

hackmum · 08/12/2013 10:04

Victoria Coren has written a superb article about Nigella's first husband, the glorious John Diamond - and she is very much of the view that Nigella is not a drug addict:

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/dec/08/nigella-lawson-john-diamond

BerylStreep · 08/12/2013 10:15

Hackmum, that article has made me cry.

BerylStreep · 08/12/2013 10:16

(although I do have a cold and am feeling very sorry for myself - that must be it. Ahem)

limitedperiodonly · 08/12/2013 10:40

It's a lovely piece by someone who was obviously a close, fierce and unsentimental friend.

That's my interpretation, anyway.

I expect someone will soon be along to say that like Nigella, Victoria Coren should have her collar felt for admitting drug use in print. Wink