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Amanda Hutton found guilty of manslaughter

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Rowlers · 03/10/2013 17:12

Just that.

I find the photo of that poor little boy very distressing.

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kotinka · 04/10/2013 18:09

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handcream · 04/10/2013 18:09

I will admit that I dont know an awful lot about mental health but I have heard that mentally ill people are often a danger to themselves as opposed to anyone else.

FairyJen · 04/10/2013 18:10

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kotinka · 04/10/2013 18:11

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deepfriedsage · 04/10/2013 18:11

No way should a child be removed without a court order.

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juneau · 04/10/2013 18:12

In cases like this I wish our justice system was more like the US. There she would be locked up and the key would be thrown away. In this country she'll serve half her sentence (so, seven-and-a-half years), and then be free to drink herself to death, housed by the public purse. I just hope she does it quickly.

deepfriedsage · 04/10/2013 18:13

Mental health illness is protected under equality law 2010, support should be put in place.

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handcream · 04/10/2013 18:14

Kotinka - I think you are worrying a few posters including me. You say that you can be a safe parent yet you say you have thought many times of killing yourself.

I am sorry if you are offended but its a red flag to me.

deepfriedsage · 04/10/2013 18:16

Disablist comments are reportable and against guidelines on mnhq, hope I don't have to report.

Candustpleasefuckoff · 04/10/2013 18:17

The SC who threatened to 'knock down the door' is inspirational.

That should be SS new motto. 'Let's knock down doors' (metaphorically).

Let's stop pussy footing around and get to the truth of each situation quickly and efficiently. SS can always apologise if they get it wrong, but nothing will repair the life of a child who has been horrendously abused, and nothing can be repaired once a child is killed.

We need less tolerance of these disgusting parents. Be disgusting, but then don't be parents, and if you happen to have sex with each other, let that child be given to a family who will cherish it.

Everyone in the UK lives in the land of opportunity. We all have access to excellent healthcare, excellent education, excellent charities who support us during bad times. We have freedom to be who we want. We are an extremely welcoming and tolerant society. We should be proud of this and motivated by this and use the fact that we are british to become the best that we can be. Not use it as an excuse to be lazy, and feckless and scummy.

why are there so many scummy people everywhere? What the fuck has happened to us?

FairyJen · 04/10/2013 18:20

As well as agreeing with handcream my issue kotinka is that your blaming ss for this tragedy.

I'm obviously missing something but I thought it was a pretty basic lesson - dont fucking murder your children! The blame lies with the mother. Ss can only do so much. We are restricted very tightly by legislation, lack of funding and in some areas over triple the amount of cases we should carry.

handcream · 04/10/2013 18:21

Deep - I am concerned about Kotinka if you are referring to me. I am hopefully doing what didnt happen in the Hutton case. Making sure everything is OK

handcream · 04/10/2013 18:24

Fairy is right. Often their hands are tied by rules, policies and human rights. I suspect a good SW WOULD want to smash down the door of a house to find out what is going on. But they cant. They need to ask permission and that is often not given when someone has something to hide.

handcream · 04/10/2013 18:26

This SC was different though wasnt she. She did threaten to kick the door in. Was she right - of course. But if she hadnt found anything there would be the bleeding hearts out all night on MN talking about human and parental rights.

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Jammyforeigner · 04/10/2013 18:33

"Should an authority have the right to enter homes to check on childrens welfare, without permission of the parents.
Should an authority have the absolute right to remove children deemed to be at risk, and keep them safely away from abusing Parents for as long as is judged neccessary."

I agree with what you're saying BMW. I just feel a little uneasy, esp. the cases where the SS have made huge errors and babies are taken away from "good" parents only to be returned many many months later. I know for certain if my child was taken from me through no fault of my own I would be livid to say the least. And it would not cross my mind to think "oh well at least they're thinking of child safety" etc.

Why should all the decent loving parents out there be monitored heavily because of a minority of alcoholic, drug addicted, unsuitable parents?

While we're at it why don't we just sanction CCTV in every home? That will surely solve the problem!

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wannaBe · 04/10/2013 18:35

but it’s not just the authorities that need to change their attitude but society as a whole. If someone posted here for instance that they knew a family living in filth they would be told not to judge, perhaps the mother has mh issues, perhaps she needs support and the poster should be the one to offer it, etc etc.

We need to stop reacting when ss do remove a baby and stop vilifying them.

We need to accept that sometimes a baby has to be removed before something happens, not after.

There is currently a poster in legal whose baby was removed shortly after birth and is to be placed for adoption because she has serious mh issues, has attempted suicide and her issues are such that she needs to go into a long-term therapy programme. It is desperately sad that it has come to this, but SS have acted by the book, and the baby’s long-term future is considered best by being adopted.

And yet there are plenty of posters on that thread calling them baby snatchers and the like. When reality is we do not know at what risk that baby is because of the op’s issues, and her psychiatrist doesn’t anticipate a change for at least a year. So what should happen – should the baby be left with her until something happens to it? In the hope that it doesn’t? Or perhaps the baby is best off at this point being brought up in a loving home, adopted at a time in its life when attachment issues are likely to be less, rather than ss waiting a couple of years and hoping it won’t come to that?

Devastating for the mother – of course. But not as devastating as it would be for the baby if she didn’t come through her issues.

FairyJen · 04/10/2013 18:41

So basically we are damne if we do and damned if we don't.

kotinka you are right about the verdict however my personal opinion is that this child died of neglect. There was no need for this neglect therefore it's murder in my mind. She could have fed him, taken him to drs, accessed services, etc etc etc

She couldn't be bothered to do any of these things but could be bothered to claim cb for him Hmm

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MissDD1971 · 04/10/2013 18:52

kotinka not meaning to not read the whole thread but in a way it IS the parents who failed in this case. The mother chose to have the kids, chose to ignore her health problems etc or accept help which I am sure was offered.

SS can do a lot in cases like this but with no co-operation or parents hiding stuff (not sure if this woman did this) then what can they realistically do?

FairyJen · 04/10/2013 18:52

I can yes however of we were to construct a hierarchy as such ss wouldn't be at the top as without actual access to the property or seein the children there is little they can do and I should mention that plenty of innocent good parents avoid ss as well so the issue is not clear cut.

Teachers failed to act as did neighbours until nappies were being thrown in their garden. As did the father and the other children.