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Zimmerman found 'not guilty' of Trayvon Martin's murder

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Kveta · 14/07/2013 03:25

m.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-23304198

Bloody hell.

How utterly crap for Martin's family and friends :( and how dangerous for race relations in Florida :(

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ChrissieTay · 15/07/2013 13:54

I am actually surprised and quite frankly disgusted in you on here who seem to think it was highly acceptable for Martin to carry out his part of the violence and was totally 'innocent' ?! Shock

God help your children if you're teaching them this, shame on you Hmm

JaquelineHyde · 15/07/2013 13:58

No open I obviously wasn't there (what a stupid question) but I have listened to nearly every bit of evidence used and accepted at the trial, and from that I have formed my opinion.

Chrissie No not innocent but he has paid for his part in this with his life. Zimmerman is the one who has been declared innocent, despite having shot a young boy in cold blood.

Boomba · 15/07/2013 13:59

like anyone gives a shit what you think about the way we are raising our kids Confused

LittleSporksBigSpork · 15/07/2013 14:01

Not just cold blood, he followed and killed Trayvon because it was "God's Plan" and he regrets nothing.

Boomba · 15/07/2013 14:04

fucking arsehole

JaquelineHyde · 15/07/2013 14:11

Excellent link Little thanks for that.

It really does say a lot about a man who declares on national television that he has no regrets about killing a young boy and would do it again if he had to.

AmberLeaf · 15/07/2013 14:12

God help your children if you're teaching them this, shame on you

Back at ya.

Needtostopbuyingcrap · 15/07/2013 14:14

This case has really gotten to me.
First off, if both of these men were of the same colour this wouldn't of even made the national news.

I wish race wasn't brought into everything, not everything is racist. This coming from a black woman.

Boomba · 15/07/2013 14:18
AmberLeaf · 15/07/2013 14:19

Gods plan and no regrets?

What a fucking arsehole.

AmberLeaf · 15/07/2013 14:21

First off, if both of these men were of the same colour this wouldn't of even made the national news

No because the killer would have been arrested that night and jailed.

creighton · 15/07/2013 14:22

needto, most black people want to toddle through life minding their own business but there are a lot of other people who are looking to make trouble for us and then somehow blame us for it.

unfortunately this has to be called what it is, a racially motivated murder.

LittleSporksBigSpork · 15/07/2013 14:26

It must be nice to live in a world many of you are in where you can presume that the legal system is fair, thorough, and unbiased. Where your skin has no effect on how you will be viewed. Where even judges and lawyers in the system . Where that kind of video becomes part of "the talk" as they get older. Where even the most well known, well liked, and wealthy part of your community is afraid of being killed because of his skin. I teach mine similar to how LeVar Burton does - both in how not to get killed and being aware of race.

To live in a world where people don't call you racist when you protest about one person's death when we've been fighting this fight over and over away from the media spotlight. Where your child's death won't be bounced around pundits and media frenzy to cover up all the rest of what is going wrong in the system. Where your children aren't taken away at higher rates (more Native children are being taken now than in boarding school days). Where you won't be facing 3 times more likely to be raped than a White woman because of the racist imagery everywhere that gets downplayed as "fun".

Not everything is racist and Zimmerman as a Latino man has likely faced plenty as have I being Metis; however, America's judicial system is notoriously biased. Even the Supreme Court - they've just taken away Native nations rights to determine their own citizenship (a right of every nation). A lot goes back to the 13th amendment - which got rid of slavery for everyone except prisoners (which then spawned a bunch of other horrible laws and the prison-industrial complex that makes all none weapon equipment for the military, most things found in American buildings. The irony of America not allowing imports of goods made in prison but freely exports them). The system is corrupt, to miss it is a blessed life indeed.

SpecialAgentTattooedQueen · 15/07/2013 14:29

There has been a fair and thorough trial

I think that's the crux of the disagreement Jessie, those of us who are arguing are arguing it wasn't a fair trial. I don't understand why Zimmerman wasn't convicted of Manslaughter? May I ask why you believe he didn't deserve Manslaughter? (Not the murder charge, just that one.)

BTW Thank you for being respectful in your disagreements, and seeing I wasn't attacking you snidely through examples. :) I enjoy debating with reasonable people like you and Cheerful

Chrissy, I was going to waste my time explaining things to you and showing you links, but you are coming across uncomfortably racist to me. Bluntly, like Boomba said... We don't really give a shit if you feel sorry for our DC. Frankly I feel sorry for yours. Hopefully they're young enough they can learn at school and through society not to think like you, to be open minded and accepting of others. (Like Jessie... She doesn't agree with me yet does not come across the way you do. At ALL.)

But if you genuinely are interested in this case, you can easily Google and see Zimmerman had a disturbing history of racial profiling, came from a racist family (AKA his dad's weird ebook) and a history of racial comments at work.

yamsareyammy · 15/07/2013 14:30

I asked 3 hours ago if anyone was saying that Zimmerman was guilty "beyond reasonable doubt", and no one has said he is.

Which is exactly the same as the jury.

SpecialAgentTattooedQueen · 15/07/2013 14:34

I really need to type faster. Blush

That link where he basically brags and smugly uses The Lord as his defence? Angry

Almost as fucked up as OJ's book 'What IF I killed my Wife?' Where he gets off on the details.

Sick pricks. At least one of them is in jail (albeit, not the crime he should be in jail for)

I'm glad America is so pissed off and protesting. If Trayvon had been killed here I bloody well would be!!!

Boomba · 15/07/2013 14:36

yes. at least people are protesting

Boomba · 15/07/2013 14:36

good post sporks

ChrissieTay · 15/07/2013 14:47

My children ARE being brought up to be extremely open minded and respectful and thank God they won't be in the mindset of you people who seem to believe you should smash somebody's head into a concrete pavement! That is actually shocking!

I think it is laughable that purely because I disagree with you, you call me a racist! Ha ha grow the fuck up! Jesus Christ you are a sensitive lot aren't you!

Fed up of having to 'be careful' what you say these days in case you get labelled a racist! Fucking pathetic! They need to lose the chips on their shoulders, in thinking 'white' people are out to get them! No more to be said on the subject!

SpecialAgentTattooedQueen · 15/07/2013 14:48

I asked 3 hours ago if anyone was saying that Zimmerman was guilty "beyond reasonable doubt", and no one has said he is.

I did! I didn't use you by poster name but I responded a few posts after and said I believed he was guilty beyond a reasonable doubt of manslaughter, and asked if anybody could explain beyond a reasonable doubt, using only facts (as I did, because I don't like to admit in a court, TECHNICALLY murder was beyond a reasonable doubt, but not manslaughter) But nobody replied?

Check my posts, I did reply, I thought it was a good (and difficult emotionally for me) question! :)

SpecialAgentTattooedQueen · 15/07/2013 14:53

Uhm, I am white. My DC are not. Does that mean there is 'no more more to be said on the subject?' Confused Even if I weren't white, you don't get to bang a gavel and say thread closed, black people need to get over themselves. (WTAF? You think you're NOT racist??!)

Though if you have nothing left to say on the subject then... Goodbye? Confused I will continue commenting however.

I still think hope your kids are young so they have a chance, and I still feel sorry for them, and I still think you are a racist. You make me deeply uncomfortable.

Not like Jessie, she disagrees but is yet to resort to personal insults, her argument is calm, valid and fair even if I personally think she is wrong.

But you did resort to personal insults about my parenting, so as far as I'm concerned, fair game for me to give my own honest opinion on how you come across.

SpecialAgentTattooedQueen · 15/07/2013 14:55

They need to lose the chips on their shoulders, in thinking 'white' people are out to get them! No more to be said on the subject!

Who is 'they?' Do you mean black people?

No. You're not a racist. Not at all. Hmm

Could throw a true insult at you but you really aren't worth it. I'll stick to my opinions on your character.

Boomba · 15/07/2013 14:56

Jesus Christ you are a sensitive lot aren't you

Fed up of having to 'be careful' what you say these days in case you get labelled a racist! Fucking pathetic! They need to lose the chips on their shoulders, in thinking 'white' people are out to get them! No more to be said on the subject!

We have all heard that a hundred times before chrissie its part of the script isnt it

non-racists dont need to 'be careful what they say'

SpecialAgentTattooedQueen · 15/07/2013 15:01

Actually I think we're on our way Not even close to there yet, sadly, but on our way to RACISTS being the ones who need to start watching their tongues.

yamsareyammy · 15/07/2013 15:08

Yes, you sort of did Special.

But the case was for murder, and no one else has even come close to saying that Zimmerman was guilty of murder beyond reasonable doubt.Same as the jury decided.

And herein lies the problem. Emotionally, many of us may think he is guilty of murder, but we dont seem to be sure beyond reasonable doubt.
Which is actually quite a difficult thing to get a convicition in a court room with.

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