Zimmerman found 'not guilty' of Trayvon Martin's murder

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m.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-23304198

Bloody hell.

How utterly crap for Martin's family and friends :( and how dangerous for race relations in Florida :(

most rapists are male chrissie...are you suspicious of every man you meet?

Boomba - No, but I don't understand the relevance of your question tbh, if you could elaborate please?

My reply to Jacqueline, re Z's cautiousness over black males, maybe because of the encounters he'd had previously - an example for me is that by where we live, there used to be a lot of teenage lads riding scrambler bikes and speeding in them, not only on the roads, but in the park too where children and animals were, now at the time, our house was broken into and witnesses claimed that our TV was taken by 2 lads, who left on a scrambler bike - my point is that now I am always more weary and cautious over lads on scrambler bikes - never black mind you, so that doesn't come into my example here, but I also understand that there are probably some genuine lads who ride these particular bikes, who aren't out to cause trouble, but because of our experience and the things I have witnessed whilst lads are on these bikes, has in fact made me very wary and extra cautious

But to be nervous, fearful, suspicious of someone (even if you feel you have reason by past experiences) because of their skin colour is racism or prejudice. I imagine we all do it even subconsciously to a degree. But it doesn't make it right but to be able to understand and acknowledge it, is probably one step closer to dealing with this issue.

His family must be devastate with the outcome. Their young son was out minding his own business and never came home and no one is being held accountable for that. they have had him trashed in the news, had to fight for an investigation.

I have absolutely no doubt that his skin colour definitely had a part to play in Zimmerman's pursuit of him and the attitude of the police and those laying blame at Martin's feet.

Chrissie I understand the experience you have shared. However, being extra cautious of certain people and situations due to past experience is completely different to what happened here.

Zimmerman was not being extra cautious he had decided based on skin colour alone that Martin was guilty of something. He was not behaving cautiously, he hunted Martin down, ran after him when he tried to flee. He was that determined to get his criminal...based on nothing other than the colour of Martin's skin.

Imagine you were walking home alone on a dark wet night and a man started following you. First of all in his car, slowly following behind you. Then when you were so scared you ran to try and get away, he got out of his car and chased after you, whilst on the phone to the police accusing you of being a criminal. Are you saying this would be perfectly acceptable if the man in question had experienced crime at the hands of someone with the same skin colour as you?

Not because he thought you looked like anyone specifically, not because you were doing anything remotely suspicious but just because of the colour of your skin.

His family must be devastate with the outcome. Their young son was out minding his own business and never came home and no one is being held accountable for that.

Not only that (as heartwrenching as it is) the blame has been put on their dead child. The court has stated Zimmerman was justified in his repulsive actions, so now the label of 'self defence' rests over their dead child's grave.

I can't imagine the pain that alone must cause. Frankly, I don't want too.

President Obama speaking live now about the Zimmerman case. Focussing clearly on racial profiling.

'A lot of African-American boys are painted with a broad brush'

'If a young white boy had been involved in this incident the outcome and the aftermath could have been different'

'It is understandable that there have been demonstration'

'Trayvon could have been me 35 years ago'

The examples of racial profiling he gave, experiences he has had are so saddening and I have so much respect for him for speaking out about this.

I'm not bothering with this thread anymore, it's actually fucking ridiculous tbh! Everytime a black person is now killed, it's 'obviously' going to be classed as a Racist attack, fucks sake!

You know what Chrissie I have been incredibly patient with you. I have answered all questions you directed at me in a calm and thoughtful manner, I hoped I would have given you reason to stop and actually think about what is being said. Apparently not!

No one at any point has said every black killing is a racist attack, no one has even hinted at anything so ridiculous. In fact Obama just said himself Trayvon was statistically more likely to be killed by one of his peers than anyone else.

Your suggestion that this is what we are all insinuating is the only thing that is fucking ridiculous here.

I am glad you are not bothering with this thread anymore because quite frankly I am sick of reading your pathetic posts.

So go on, off you fuck, don't let the door hit you on the way out.

followingharriet.blogspot.co.uk/2012/03/zimmerman-isnt-racist-in-trayvons-case.html?m=1

Th stephen Lawrence case comes to mind here. Even just recently its been discovered the highst official knew about police spying on the Lawrence family, whilst the parents were trying to get thr police to thoroughly investigate Stephens murder. The aim of the spying was to undermine the Lawrence campaign for justice, how disgusting is that corrupt police in on it?

I think we have a false sense of security don't we have ghettos in the uk too. Course you generally don't have shootings but that's because guns aren't as readily available but I'm sure ppl have means of acquiring them. Knife crime is the substitute, London, Birmingham, Bradford, Luton?

i do think Americans have a more backward attitude of black people and ethnic people in general. This idea that black people lack intelligence, that they're lazy, and if you see a black person you should cross the road in case they try and rob you. i don't think people in the uk think like that in general although there will be the odd nutcases around. i think the problems lie more in poverty, and deprivation i.e "they're taking our jobs" "they're taking our benefits". if they're working they can't be taking your benefits so which is it?

Chrissie that link was written in March last year and states that the details of what happened are still sketchy.

We know the details of the case inside and out now and everything I have said still stands.

If you have linked to that blog just to try and prove that lots of black people kill black people, please see my previous post and then tell me where on this thread anyone has claimed all black killings are racist?

don't know why you bothered with the thread in the first place chrissy

Boomba - Please don't talk to me, you annoy me with your agression

Columbine 1999 - Didn't the Shoels family play the race card even though Isaih Shoels was the only black kid amongst 13 victims to be murdered ?!

I find the term"play the race card" most offensive,it shows that the person saying it thinks racism is trivial and should be ignored.

I annoy you with my aggression??

I can 100% guarantee not half as much as you sicken me to my stomach with your white-privelleged, ignorant twatism

I will speak to who I like. Racism doesnt call for polite conversations, where everyone tries carefully not to upset the delicate white folk.

If you dont want to respond to me then fair enough, but you do not get to determine who i address

ChrissieTay. "I'm really surprised actually that the majority of you on here seem to think it was ok for Martin to lay into Zimmerman, throwing punches etc - soon shit himself when he saw that this "crazy, creepy cracker" as he put it, had a gun!"

ChrissieTay, this disgusting comment you made tells me really all in need to know.

BlingBang - So u DO think it was ok for him to lay into Z, with punches etc???!

I don't know what went on but if Trayvon punched him then yes I do think that is okay. The boy was in fear after being followed. People in fear can react with violence and why should he not protect himself. FGS Zimmerman has just got out of 20 + years in prison for claiming he was defending himself. Why the Fuck should Trayvon not be able to defend himself.

my anger at racism and my disgust at you, has got nothing to do with any of my other threads

Are you new to MN? Its considered very bad form to bring threads across

also, actually..my posts havent even been aggressive...aprt from 2, where i told you to get to fuck and the other where i told you to stick the race card up your ass