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Zimmerman found 'not guilty' of Trayvon Martin's murder

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Kveta · 14/07/2013 03:25

m.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-23304198

Bloody hell.

How utterly crap for Martin's family and friends :( and how dangerous for race relations in Florida :(

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SpecialAgentTattooedQueen · 15/07/2013 15:25

He was also charged with manslaughter yams?

I was saying that as much as I wish, grudgingly you're right. I couldn't prove murder beyond a reasonable doubt on the evidence presented at trial.

I find it shocking he wasn't charged with manslaughter though, I believe that was TRULY proved beyond a reasonable doubt.

So I guess I'm asking you the same question and your reasons for why (if, of course) you believe Zimmerman didn't meet the courtroom and legal requirements for Manslaughter beyond a reasonable doubt?

Needtostopbuyingcrap · 15/07/2013 15:29

I'm shocked that Trayvons mother has trademarked his name.

SpecialAgentTattooedQueen · 15/07/2013 15:30

Where? How? On what? Confused

Can you even legally trademark a first name? I didn't think you could.

PatPig · 15/07/2013 16:33

Just FWIW Zimmerman was not told not to follow Martin. He was told 'we don't need you to do that' by the 911 dispatcher who has no legal authority to tell anyone what to do.

So it is simply wrong to say that the police told Zimmerman not to follow.

AmberLeaf · 15/07/2013 16:45

Fed up of having to 'be careful' what you say these days in case you get labelled a racist! Fucking pathetic! They need to lose the chips on their shoulders, in thinking 'white' people are out to get them! No more to be said on the subject!

Ive heard all of that before, yes its part of the script. Only a racist needs to 'be careful' what they say.

...and yes please explain who 'they' are.

AmberLeaf · 15/07/2013 16:53

Fed up of having to 'be careful' what you say these days in case you get labelled a racist! Fucking pathetic! They need to lose the chips on their shoulders, in thinking 'white' people are out to get them! No more to be said on the subject!

Ive heard all of that before, yes its part of the script. Only a racist needs to 'be careful' what they say.

...and yes please explain who 'they' are.

LittleSporksBigSpork · 15/07/2013 16:54

Special Agent It was so no one could profit off of the slogans using his name not trying to trademark the name itself.

Chrissie, you have asked multiple times for evidence. I gave posts full of links to provide the evidence of the problems within the system and yet you keep ignoring it. How you could ignore all those stats, all those names, all those faces, that video of that Latina woman, and not think there is an institutional problem of racism within the judicial system I don't know. Most likely you are ignoring all evidence being presented and instead belittling us as overemotional and chips on our shoulders. I am not black, I'm as white passing as Latino Zimmerman, but yes, institutional hate does upset me and many others. I think it should upset us. I don't think it is worth supporting and defending a system that isn't looking out for me, it's looking out itself.

Someone can do or say something racist without "being" racist; however, if you care more about people thinking you're racist than dealing with racism, then maybe you have problem. Because very little comes out of people thinking your racist, tons of people will even defend you, racism on the other hand has been linked with PTSD, lower life chances, and death.

ChrissieTay · 15/07/2013 16:57

LittleSpork - I don't question that there are issues with racism within the judicial system and I also agree that it's wrong and very corrupt, believe me I genuinely don't dispute that. I can't access the links too well on this iPhone but will pop on again this evening on my Kindle if get the chance.

ChrissieTay · 15/07/2013 16:59

Amberleaf - By 'they' I'm referring to the groups of Protestors, who aren't all black or the one race, so no I'm not referring to black people solely.

AmberLeaf · 15/07/2013 17:15

Bullshit were you.

I know what you meant.

Why would the protestors who weren't black think whites were out to get them? or have 'chips on their shoulders'? Don't backtrack.

yamsareyammy · 15/07/2013 18:03

Not sure about the manslaughter.
Not sure I could say yes, beyond reasonable doubt.
I want to, but I cant.

LittleSporksBigSpork · 15/07/2013 18:14

Seems one of my links went missing www.policymic.com/articles/48133/hero-mom-stands-up-against-officer-for-sexual-assault-in-front-of-her-two-year-old-daughter this is the Latina woman I was speaking about, I warn that this is heartbreaking and enraging.

Novascotia33 · 15/07/2013 18:37

I know it's not exactly pertinent to the case, but I cannot get my head around how somebody can gain 100lbs while on trail for murder!!???, he looks like a different person than when he was first arrested, astounding!

Boomba · 15/07/2013 18:38
AmberLeaf · 15/07/2013 18:43

Littlespork that is disgusting.

Boomba · 15/07/2013 18:44

that fucking 'woman'!!! what is she? A JUDGE????

Angry Angry Angry

JaquelineHyde · 15/07/2013 18:51

A friend of mine just posted this on facebook and it pretty much sums up how I feel about a lot of the trash that has been spoken on this thread.

AmberLeaf · 15/07/2013 18:59

Novascotia did you see someone upthread felt sorry for him because he was a fat loser?

I think it was possibly done on purpose makes him look like an overweight out of shape older man...against the young and fit Trayvon.

Very clever.

ChrissieTay · 15/07/2013 19:02

Boomba - You strike me as an intensely angry person Hmm

Have you ever sought help for that?

Not everybody will have the same opinion as you, if we all had the same opinions the world would be a boring place wouldn't it?!

LittleSporksBigSpork · 15/07/2013 19:06

Yes, the White woman in the chair ignoring her and playing with the Latina woman's daughter is the judge, yes. The "crime" they arrested for in court, the accusing a police officer thing, doesn't exist at all, she was absolutely within her rights to request a female officer for the search and to accuse the male police officer in court.

But the system is corrupt and she had no one to stand with her, not even the woman playing with her daughter ignoring her pleas who was meant to be unbiased and standing for justice.

This is why there is so much emotion, so much pain, so many "chips" - this happens day in, day out, most of it away from the spotlight. Every once in a while the media throws us a bone - normally to cover something else up or for pundits' amusements - but many people are suffering behind the scenes, many are fighting behind the scenes. And people brushing aside the issues of race, saying that it went through a courts so it must be fair, spit in our faces and ignore reality, living in a bubble immune from all of this, which, as I said must be nice, too bad the rest of us can't. Even when academic proves the problems of racism and gender profiling and the intermix of the two and how lethal they are, they not only get brushed aside, they still get promoted, even on Mumsnet racial profiling has been promoted in these threads. Stomach turning. "Cracker" a term meaning whipcracker, slavedriver, someone in authority may make people uncomfortable, other racial profiling leaves people dead. The difference, the immunity some have, should be obvious but its hidden in the education and the media representation and all the other systems that need taken apart, that we're fighting with.

LittleSporksBigSpork · 15/07/2013 19:08

It should be everyone's "opinion" that people shouldn't be arrested and killed because of racial profiling Confused . It wouldn't be boring if we lost opinions that got people killed.

HokeyCokeyPigInAPokey · 15/07/2013 19:09

JaquelineHyde thank you for posting that, that is exactly what i have been saying this whole thread.

What Trayvon did or din't do, what he wore, what his teeth were like are not relevant to the events of that night.

Martin Bashir sums up exactly what is relevant.

Boomba · 15/07/2013 19:14

why chrissie? because i swear alot?
I swear when Im not angry also

I AM intensely angry about Trayvon Martin. I dont need help with that. Its a normal response. You however seem to be suffering some form of cognitive dissonance

Boomba · 15/07/2013 19:18

YY JH Martin Bashir says it very well

Boomba · 15/07/2013 20:02

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-23321738