Another Muslim gang raping and torturing young white girls...

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And yet again we are told that there is no racial or cultural element to this phenomenon.

I accept that absolutely child sex abuse is, horrifyingly, present across society.

But refusing to confront the ethnicity of the perpetrators/victims seems very unhelpful in addressing this particular problem. This is the nth gang like this with exactly the same profile of members, victims, and modus operandi.

Given the length of time most of these cases have taken to come to light, it's hard not conclude that the lives and rights of these girls were given a lower importance than 'cultural sensitivities'. Otherwise why were they disbelieved and a blind eye turned for so long, even when help was sought?

It makes me so angry that officialdom ignores this racial/religious elephant in the room. Members of these 'communities' are also too willing to deny the horror in their midst and aggressively claim their own victimisation. I've just watched a Muslim MP on Newsnight claim that he found Jack Straw's 2011 comments about this phenomenom (Muslim rape gang, vulnerably young white victims) 'offensive'.

More cases just like this are bound to come to light.

Am I the only one that feels infuriated by these flat-earthers who persistently deny the reality? And what can be done?

I'd be interested to hear the views of people from all backgrounds.

Nice They're not all male.

In fact there is an awful lot of female sex offenders

:(

Haven't read all previous posts so sorry if I am repeating, or,more likely, completely going against the current.
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Am and a particular type of group,organised grooming and abusing of vulnerable girls. The fact is that in many Islamic communities (and countries worldwide 1) a good woman is a virgin until her wedding night 2) any woman who isn t is dirty and 3) most western women fall into the 2 nd category. This legitimises abuse. Furthermore the need for women to remain virgins until marriage ( breaking this taboo can still result in death in many Muslim countries) means that there is a surplus of frustrated men. In many Islamic countries, due to economic difficulties, many men can t hope to ge remarried until their 30 s or 40s, for some it' s unattainable (eg Egypt and other North African countries).
There has been a similar problem in France, with young North African men targeti French girls in e inner cities, organising group rapes etc " les tour antes" . All in all, a bot too much to be a coincidence. Onapersonal note, I grew up in a Muslim country and was subjected to both sexual harassment and sexual abuse by Muslim men.

The debate on this - why are we even having it - makes me very angry.
Pointing out what is glaringly obvious, namely that there is an ethnic and cultural pattern to this type of crime, is clearly - unless you are stupid or pretending to be - not the same thing as saying that all Muslim men abuse girls, or that there are not other criminal patterns to be found in other cultural and ethnic groups. I am literally staggered at the amount of time that is wasted agonising over offence to the Islamic community when we are considering some of the most serious offences against children that one can imagine. Where are our priorities? Since when do the sensibilities of religious groups matter more than the protection of children? I do not care if members of the Islamic community are offended by pointing out the problem they have with a minority (nota bene) of their men. I want to hear that they are working to solve the problem, not attacking those pointing it out.

The main thing that sex offenders have in common is that they are male.

Was that not phrased very well.

I could rephrase I suppose.

The vast majority of sex offenders are male.
Almost all child sex offenders are male.
A huge majority of people committing crimes of a sexual nature against others are men.
All rapists (in UK law) are male.
Almost all people convicted of serious sexual offences are male.
When looking at child grooming and sex offences, you can expect the perpetrator to almost certainly be male.
All except a vanishingly small number of child sex abusers are men.

Is that better?

There's always one isn't there. "Oh let's ignore the fact it's always BLOKES and talk about the tiny number of women who do it, or think about religion or race or ANYTHING to avoid talking about the fact that this is a crime perpetrated by MEN against women, girls, boys and other men. God forbid we do that. We wouldn't want to have to acknowledge that now would we, and maybe think what we can do about it, when we can pretend that it's all women or muslims or forriners or some other group...

From your link schro

"The latest government figures, published six months ago, showed that 56 female child sex abusers were in custody, with 49 sentenced and seven on remand. Another 84 were under supervision in the community. Fewer than 2% of people on the sex offenders register are women."

WOW that is SHITLOADS. Let's stop thinking about male sex offenders and concentrate on all these women instead.

God it makes me so MAD.

Most women and girls in the UK have been subjected to unwanted sexual attention, of one type or another, at some point in their lives.

Are we going to pretend that it's not men who are doing this? Really?

Look at the rape stats, look at the sexual assault stats, look at the sexes of the people who get murdered in DV situations and the sexes of the people doing the murdering, look at the sex of all the people being talked about on this thread.

Pretending that this is not a predominantly male crime against predominantly female victims is going to get us precisely nowhere.

Oh yeah, I totally said to ignore that it's males. I was just pointing out that not all sex offenders are male.

Also, remember that those women are the ones who have been caught, I imagine that it would be even harder to have a woman found guilty or have anyone take them seriously because women just don't commit sex crimes, do they?

With respect I think we are straying off the subject here. All but " flat earthers" would admit the vast bulk of sexual violence is male on female.
There is a real debate to be had about certain Muslim men targeting white girls- there s a pattern here, there will be more cases and so far the Muslim community seems to be largely in denial. They just repeat the usual homilies about Islam respecting women and requiring people to be virgins at marriage. No acknowledgement of tensions in the community, sexual behaviours outside that prescribed in the Coran etc. Not to mention the pernicious views of western women, and of the host community at large .

schro of course it is possible that there are many female sex offenders out there who are benefiting from the disbelief that has let many rich men and famous men get away with it for so long. And even men like cab drivers on the basis that "a black cab driver wouldn't do that"...

However without evidence that this is happening - in terms of reports to police that are being overlooked as happened with the white men, rich men and so on, I feel it is a mistake to assume that there is a widespread problem as this will divert resources from a known problem.

I agree whatabout. Not so long ago a gang of Muslim men were going about after dark in there area and filming themselves telling western women to cover up and to go home because "this is a Muslim area" I mean wtf?!!

whataboutbob that is all well and good but frankly there are plenty of white british men who have pernicious views about women.

Googling would reveal a raft of cases where children have been preyed on by white british men. There have been some horrendous cases.

I genuinely think that race/religion is a distraction here.

chipstick and you will also be able to find footage of groups of white men shouting obscenities/abuse at women after dark in the UK.

i think there is a lot of denial on this thread.

'I genuinely think that race/religion is a distraction here.'

Then why is is that it seems to have been all white girls that were abused by these men?

'i think there is a lot of denial on this thread.'

Too right

I just didn't think it was right to make a statement that they are not dwelling on that sex offenders are male. When they are not all male.

I also don't think the problem is as widespread as with males but your comment was obviously just phrased badly (which you did correct in your next post) as it came across as you saying that females are never sex offenders.

Honestly though, I don't think they will really look into any link with religion/culture (properly at least) as it would open a can of worms and could turn a lot of people against Muslims in general for no good reason.

claig

In inner city london in certain areas there is a lot of sexual violence, including gang rape and the passing around of victims, perpetrated against school age girls. It is terrifying.

In that particular situation, the perpetrators and the victims are usually black.

Why aren't we talking about that? Why is it that asian men abusing white girls gets so much attention, while white men abusing white girls, and black men abusing black girls, gets comparatively little?

Interesting conundrum, isn't it.

Sorry Nt it s not a distraction, just an unpleasant topic many would prefer not to look at. Of course plenty of white men are chauvinistic, boorish and even women hating. This is a majority white country. Misogyny is universal. But, that does not take away the fact that there has been a recurring pattern of Muslim men targeting vulnerable white girls. They view them as trash, they legitimise their disgusting behaviour within the norms of their communities' sexual expectations of women- Virginal until marriage (good Muslim) or un chaperoned, available and dirty ( a certain type of western girl).

'In that particular situation, the perpetrators and the victims are usually black.'

But we are talking about this situation, where the girls seem to have all been white and where the perpetrators weren't. And in this case the abuse went on for years and the girls were tortured and sold for sex to lots of other men.

'Why aren't we talking about that? Why is it that asian men abusing white girls gets so much attention,'

Because these men have just been convicted and we have read about what they did.

IIRC, the police were very clear after the last of these cases that they were looking at race / religion angles.

So this thread isn't even based in fact.

The police do recognise different modus operandi, different grooming methods, different ways of getting to victims, different ways of passing them around and so on. They need to understand what is going on.

However the FACT that the papers and this thread and certain parts of society get SO UPSET about this - asian men and white girls - while remaining strangely silent when they victims are black or the assailants are white - it makes me spit.

Apart from anything else, not all of the victims are white. With the last group who were caught doing this, there was a black victim IIRC. That doesn't suit some people now does it, so it doesn't get mentioned.

Fact is it is predominantly females being abused by predominantly males and that is what we seriously need to look at. Rather than a bunch of almost certainly mainly white people saying "oh well it's an asian / muslim problem" and thus distancing.

'Virginal until marriage (good Muslim)'

It is not even about that, because some of these girls werre groomed by these men from the age of 11 and 12.

'and certain parts of society get SO UPSET about this'

I think all parts of society are upset about this. Aren't you?

whataboutbob there are loads of white english men who view women exactly as you describe in your post.

claig the media and MN report this much more heavily than they do crimes where the victims are not white and / or the perpetrators are white. That is a simple fact.

Have you heard of missing white woman syndrome as demonstrated very well recently in cleveland

If you are going to get all your news from the Mail it is best to at least try to learn about some of this stuff.

No one is trying to downplay other victims, it's just that this is the news story of the moment so this is what will get talked about.

claig please do not take truncated comments out of my posts. It is rude and frankly out of order on a thread as serious as this.

What I said was:

"However the FACT that the papers and this thread and certain parts of society get SO UPSET about this - asian men and white girls - while remaining strangely silent when they victims are black or the assailants are white - it makes me spit."

Please don't do that again.