Oscar Pistorious Pt3

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Hope no one else has started this.

attny "another journo who spent 4 days with Oscar said he drove his car at 150 mph...."

bigaudio so are you saying that the charge against Carl is relevant in Oscar's case? Do you think that will be admissible in court?

attny I'm not tarnishing anyone's reputation. I put that question to you to make the point that we don't know the details of that case so assuming Carl's guilt in causing the accident is just gratuitous for you to try to discredit the whole Pistorius family.

I thought the police said the damage to her skull was from a bullet? The cricket bat was used to break down the door after he realised he'd shot her which is how it got blood on it apparently. We shall see.

Please forgive me for the somewhat flippant comment , but given the news that has emerged this morning, it strikes me that if someone wrote this all down and presented it as fiction it would be dismissed as too sensational and unbelievable.

It is well known Oscar liked speeding...he has a serious boat crash because of it....all that does not go to murder at all of course....but suggests there is something reckless and testosterone fuelled in his behaviour as does the accidental discharging of a firearm in a restaurant when he handled it in public (or is handling guns at an everyday meal in public also prevalent in SA?) and this comment on his having a reckless streak is not from a hack that does not know him, but one who sent 4 days with him...

We won't agree on this thread...and we will go back and forth, enjoy your Sunday BAD and Cleo, I have said enough and just wanted to get it off my chest that's all ...at the end of the day i really hope the truth will out

No. This isn't a court room, is it

That's his version Xenia, and until the full forensics are known I guess we won't know...

Flippinada...I agree...you couldn't make it up...this is when you need a real CSI
to find out the truth

Unfortunately Attny, Its looks as though the truth might not out at all.

I really hope it does,,,but you are right there are cases where we will never know the truth...Amanda Knox comes to mind...another one where the media focused so much on Amanda, her looks and her family rather than the victim and her family...and now i hear Amanda has a $4mln book deal, ...but don't let's get started on that one!

People keep saying how awful SA prisons are - can anyone explain why/what they mean by this?

Paraplegic on remand for a fraud case in SA

I pray that poor woman gets her justice.

giraffes
When we were in Johannesburg on holiday, we took a tour guide for a day. She told us that if we were pulled over by the police to pay whatever they were asking, as otherwise we'd be thrown into jail overnight, and would stand a good chance of coming out HIV positive having been raped.

I don't even know what to say about Carl - this is getting weirder by the minute. I agree with the comment, as fiction, it wouldn't seem believable.

Re the cricket bat - that surely can't be true. I think it would be crazy and completely irresponsible for the prosecution to "keep that up their sleeve". It totally would be their trump card in terms of pre-meditation and I doubt bail would have been granted. What if (god forbid) he was a crazed cricket bat wielding lunatic and he went and did that to one of the witnesses (unlikely I know) - there would be uproar that the prosecution had kept that little nugget from the court, for the suprise value later at trial. It's not as if it's a case of showing their cards too soon so the defence have time to plan a response. It would be pretty conclusive info wouldn't it? Botha said that there weren't other injuries to her - he wouldn't have lied about that surely when directly asked? I know his competence is highly questionable, but that's totally different. It's not like, say, ballistics that are still underway - the autopsy has been done. The outcome of that will be known. Surely the defence would have been disclosed the autopsy report too? Also, if OP had done that - and knew that it was going to come out - the rest of his story would be pointless wouldn't it?

I note that it is only the Daily Fail running with this story. I think I might have answered my own questions there....

I may be wrong - and this may all come out at a later date - but it seems unlikely to me that this would have been held back, if true.

Melty that story is horrific. Poor man.

I see from the story on BBC news that two bunches of flowers were sent to the Steenkamp family with handwritten notes, one from OP and one from his family - they were received the day before the funeral.

The accident was in 2008, how come they're only brining charges now?

Pressure from family of the deceased motorcyclist I read. Presumably they have had plenty of time to challenge the decision not to press charges at the time so to do so now seems strange.

That DM story is disgusting. AFAIK police forces/authorities do their best to hide/disguise injuries from bereaved and traumatised families. And is it at all possible that RS's father could subsequently be saying "if his (OP's) story is true ......" if he had been told/shown that??

Surprised about the charges the brother faces. But not as surprised as I was about the charges Botha faces.

Is there anyone in this case who isn't going to be charged with some kind of criminal offence?!

Sorry - that shouldn't have been "AFAIK" (I don't know) - it should have been "surely"

Melty that story is absolutely horrendous. Whatever happens, I really hope that having the world's eye on South Africa's prisons changes things for the better - no-one should have to live in those sorts of conditions.

I am really struggling to see the relevance of the brother's charges.

Re: the charges against Carl Pistorius do you think that it's just possible that they have been reinstated to discredit the Pistorius name? I didn't realise it had happened in 2008, Oscar has had a meteoric rise since then and it's possible that the family/police are after cash or to blacken them? Then this lands in their laps?

I'm seriously just thinking out loud here, but given the bizarreness of the entire story nothing would really sunrise me now.

I cannot see the cricket bat story in the DM (!!!) being true. If it was i do not believe the prosecution would have held it back. Surely OP will know that if he beat Reeva Steenkamp with a bat it will come out in trial. You can't explain that evidence away and it will surely remove the doubt that his version events casts on the prosecutions story.

Surely if it is true it would make him much more of a flight risk and the prosecution would have used it to make damn sure he was kept on remand. If it is true he will know that he is much more likely to be convicted at trial of premeditation.

As for the prosecution "keeping" that information until trial they will have to share everything with the defence anyway. They will all get the post mortem and forensic evidence, they cannot just "surprise" the defence at trial!

I think people can discount anything printed in the DM so far...

Read what is in the papers with a pinch of salt, and let's see what is raised at the trial. If these things aren't true, I hope the rags take the time to reflect on the appropriateness of their reporting, and the distress it may have caused. But maybe that's hoping for too much....