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Oscar pistorius

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spiderbabymum · 14/02/2013 07:11

Heard the news this am

I'm just Devastated for him and his family and partners family

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Andro · 22/02/2013 10:39

Yes, I think he's a big suicide risk - and more reason he shouldn't be given bail. He needs 24 hour watching.

Do you really think he's get 24h suicide watch in Pretoria Central? I think it's more likely that he'd kill himself if sent there tbh.

Thisisaeuphemism · 22/02/2013 10:43

Really if he's that paranoid about his security that he would shoot some one locked in a bathroom who presumably screamed like a woman and yet he carried on, then he really is an absolute danger to everybody and should never be free.

Animation · 22/02/2013 10:46

Yes he might not get 24 hour watch in there. I think he's a suicide risk though and I'm surprised that's not been mentioned in court.

DreamsTurnToGoldDust · 22/02/2013 10:51

He should be treated the same as any other person facing a murder trial in SA.

Animation · 22/02/2013 10:54

'either he's a irrational paranoid murderer or a violent abusive murderer - why would you feel sorry for him?'

I Agree. There is something about him that induces you to feel sorry for him. He has one of those faces. They also say sociopaths also have faces which make you feel sorry for them - in the book, 'The Sociopath Next Door.'

Is he or isn't he - I guess we don't know?

BeCool · 22/02/2013 11:01

todays live feed

The prosecutor has said in court this morning that the front door to the house was unlocked.

So he sleeps with bedroom balcony door open, ensuite bathroom window open, AND the front door unlocked yet he is so paranoid and fearful of intruders that the sound of his girl friend taking a pee triggers him to shoot her dead?? And we are supposed to believe he was acting in self defence and was reasonable to be so paranoid?

vess · 22/02/2013 11:03

Ok just speculating wildly here, but what if there's a bit of truth in both versions of the story? An accident on purpose?

Say they have an argument about her seeing someone else, she reassures him that she isn't, all seems fine, they both go to bed. A while after she gets up, picks her mobile phone and goes to the bathroom. He looks like he is sleeping, but sees her and thinks about her messaging someone else, thinking about someone else. He lies in bed, emotions build up: anger, jealousy, fear. He listens to noises from the bathroom, tries to convince himself that there could be an intruder in the bathroom, that it is in fact very likely, and the more he thinks it the more he believes it, because he wants to believe it and because that will give him a reason to shoot; in his mind he is a victim who needs to defend himself, so he gets his gun, goes and shoots...
Then, of course, he panics, he is desperate to revive her, he didn't mean for that to happen at all, he loves her so much...

applepieinthesky · 22/02/2013 11:03

I agree Andro. I think he's far more likely to commit suicide if he doesn't get bail today.

YellowFlyingPineapple · 22/02/2013 11:04

Heres a radical idea BeCool, maybe he unlocked the front door so that when the paramedics arrived they could get in to help an injured woman??

Sparklegeek · 22/02/2013 11:05

I thought the bit about the front door being unlocked was discussed as they're unsure whether he unlocked it first or carried her down the stairs first? Not that it was unlocked all night? Or have I muddled things up?

DreamsTurnToGoldDust · 22/02/2013 11:05

Becool, is it official that the front door was unlocked?

Andro · 22/02/2013 11:06

There in lays the the problem Dreams, he's not the same as anyone else facing a murder charge in SA. OP is rich, he's very high profile and he uses prosthetic limbs...all three things make him a clear target.

Short of housing him in solitary until trial (I don't know if those facilities exist in the remand unit of PC) there would be very little chance of the guards being able to protect him (extortion/blackmail/rape/physical assault are all likely risks he would face). I've never considered myself soft when it comes to crime, but the thought of the heightened risks he would face makes my skin crawl - with that said, the entire SA prison system needs a overhaul (something is badly wrong when rape is seemingly accepted as part of prison life).

Andro · 22/02/2013 11:08

^needs an overhaul

BeCool · 22/02/2013 11:10

Dreams it seems its another situation where there are 2 conflicting versions/reasons. Who knows???

LilyBolero · 22/02/2013 11:13

conditions on remand for people with disabilities

Remember people on remand have not been convicted of ANY crime. OP would be stripped of his prosthetics, in case they were used as a weapon. This is totally inhuman.

BeCool · 22/02/2013 11:13

Article about a paraplegic in SA prison now for 2 years, on remand for fraud.
He can't afford bail.
It's horrific.

BeCool · 22/02/2013 11:13

X post!

DreamsTurnToGoldDust · 22/02/2013 11:14

I`m sorry but when we start giving special treatment to statuses society is in trouble, SAs has been there it didnt work did it.

The prisons probably do need an overhaul but thats a different thread. Do rich white influential people not go prison in SA then.

bleedingheart · 22/02/2013 11:15

I don't think there is enough evidence at present to either support his intruder story or to denounce it. The truth may well be far removed from either version.

Many people working on the assumption that OP killed RS in the bathroom intentionally are still going along with the theory that she'd gone to the toilet or had fled knowing about the gun. Premediation doesn't mean he planned it weeks in advance.

It's not beyond the realms of possiblity that she locked herself in to avoid a verbal argument and his frustration led him to act first and regret it as soon as the shots were fired. On the other hand if you are terrified that someone is in your house, waiting to shoot you dead in your sleep, you may well feel that you are going to 'kill or be killed'.

The problems I have with the defence so far are the fact the balcony doors were open while he dozed, doesn't fit the paranoia image, the attempts to get stuff out of the safe, the denial of a house in Italy which was technically true but failed to mention his access to this house and the positions of the telephones. I believe that someone living in SA can be scared enough to shoot through a closed door, based on what has been said on these threads but I still cannot get my head 'round him not stopping to touch her and say 'stay here' or 'don't get up we've an intruder' (and finding she was gone).

If she was in a guest room or living room I could see this happening but not when they've been asleep in the same room.

I feel dirty speculating though and I don't know how much of the bail hearing we should see/hear because it leads to these papges of us playing Miss Marple as has been said.

Phone records and ballistics should be the key here.

DreamsTurnToGoldDust · 22/02/2013 11:17

Lily that is bad but why bad for OP but not the other paraplegic?

BigAudioDynamite · 22/02/2013 11:19

There are people in jail with disabilities

So, do you think he should be an exception because of his wealth and status?

BeCool · 22/02/2013 11:20

It's not beyond the realms of possibility that she locked herself in to avoid a verbal argument or even simply needed to urinate during an argument and went to the toilet - you know, just like people do.

BeCool · 22/02/2013 11:22

I`m sorry but when we start giving special treatment to statuses society is in trouble, SAs has been there it didnt work did it.
The prisons probably do need an overhaul but thats a different thread. Do rich white influential people not go prison in SA then
^ this!

bleedingheart · 22/02/2013 11:24

It's not beyond the realms of possibility that she locked herself in to avoid a verbal argument or even simply needed to urinate during an argument and went to the toilet - you know, just like people do.

Exactly!

runningforthebusinheels · 22/02/2013 11:26

'either he's a irrational paranoid murderer or a violent abusive murderer - why would you feel sorry for him?'

That's about where I am with this whole thing as well. Even if his version of events was totally true- and who can be sure it is ? - then he has taken the life of another human being by paranoid trigger-happy negligence. There should be a legal consequence to this.