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Oscar pistorius

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spiderbabymum · 14/02/2013 07:11

Heard the news this am

I'm just Devastated for him and his family and partners family

OP posts:
BlingBubbles · 22/02/2013 08:53

Molivan, the toilet door was closed and locked

flippinada · 22/02/2013 09:07

I don't have any problem with anyone discussing the case or think I'm above it at all Wiley, after all I'm on the thread too and it's in the news so it's inevitable people will talk about it.

There is an element of vicarious excitement to the discussion which is very unpleasant considering that, at it's centre, this case is about the extremely violent death of a young woman.

flippinada · 22/02/2013 09:17

Its centre, not it's centre. Apologies

QuickLookBusy · 22/02/2013 09:21

Agree with you flipping

I also think this speculation along the lines of "he's acting guilty", "he's shown no remorse" trivialises the whole thing.

None of you know what OP has said privately, none of you can make assumptions based on anything other than watching him for a few minutes on the TV. When you think about it, coming up with these kind of statements based on such little knowledge is very simplistic and ridiculous.

Maryz · 22/02/2013 09:34

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WileyRoadRunner · 22/02/2013 09:36

Well there have been some very presumptuous statements made on OP's personality I will agree with that. Don't think I have seen anything crass as of yet, in fact I think everyone has shown that this incident is shocking. It has certainly divided opinion!

Does anyone know is the gun used the one that they found the illegal/unlicensed ammunition for? Or are the prosecution just saying that he should not have had that ammunition aspartame of a character analysis?

Also does the magistrate have the power to remove/downgrade the section 6 charge for premeditation as the defence seemed to be alluding to that yesterday, when they said the charge sheet was for murder etc.?

What happens if they go with premeditated and he is found non guilty of that? Can they still find him guilty of murder, as he has admitted killing her, or would he be acquitted?

hackmum · 22/02/2013 09:37

Maryz - I agree entirely. My opinion has swung back and forth several times too - both the defence and prosecution accounts seem convincing in some respects and deficient in others. Yet one of them must be true. It's an incredibly tragic story and it does bring home the fact that the way we live in Britain, and the things we take for granted, are not representative of life in many other parts of the world.

poopnscoop · 22/02/2013 09:39

As someone who has lived in Joburg for 19 years and Cape Town for 7 years... I never had anything untoward happen to anyone I know or to me in Joburg. I was burgled twice in CT, never in Joburg (and there was no wall at all in front of the house, no alarm even, just two dogs at the back)... My mil who is in CT is paranoid about security... My mother who lives near Pretoria near Hammanskraal (a huge township), and my brother/aunt etc. who live in Joburg live responsibly but NOT in fear of their lives. At all.

My inlaws ironically say they'd never live in Joburg due to the crime, which is laughable as they've had lots more happen to them in Cape Town than my family have. There is a very anti-Joburg feel from may cities in South Africa... Which people abroad would not be aware of. This is highlighted in some comments here.

A casing point-a friend (attorney) from CT moved to Joburg as she couldn't find work in CT... She was so anti Joburg before she lived there and she's been there 4 years now and loves it! Says she's happier, more wealthy, has more friends and a better social life etc. than she did before.

This is not a Joburg vs other SA cities comment but I thought it important to state that MANY South Africans are unfair toward Joburg as a whole. Just because they are. And it's mostly due to the wonderful (ugh) media that treats Joburg so badly.

And that very same media is continuing to do it NOW ... This time worldwide media has joined in. Making jokes (jokes!?!!!???) about the tragedy of the death of a beautiful young South African woman. It's sickening. Utterly sickening. Misreporting and making sensationalist statements. There is so much misinformation going on between the various media platforms and the police et al.

Let the judge do his job and grant/not grant bail. Then let him/her decide whether OP is guilty of premeditated murder or not. Yes. We can 'speculate' and chat about what we think.. But let's not condemn him. Lets play far.

And for someone in the UK it is impossible to try and fathom how some people do live in fear and deal with a certain amount of paranoia re safety every day.. Especially with death threats et al. Many celebrities do... Especially when living in a gun-friendly society.

I live in London currently and am no less security aware as I was when I lived in SA. I don't walk in certain areas at night etc. I'm street wise and responsible. The probability of me being knifed rather than shot (less fatalities) is due to there being less guns here. But crime does happen here too - my aunt is a DCI and what she tells me is frightening.

In SA many people drive in unroadworthy/unlicensed taxis which should hold about 15/16 people but actually hold up to 22 at a time... One accident and that's a lot of deaths. The road death rate is high in SA and this is a factor. Guns kill more than knives. There is A LOT more poverty within a high percentage of the population ... Which breeds criminals.

Some have asked why do people live in SA? Well... The people (high percentage) are happy (some of the happiest people I have ever met have been those in townships... Content with the fact they have a hot meal that night... Thankful for things we First Worlders so often take for granted), friendly (Saffas love hosting people. So hospitable, even toward strangers... something sadly lacking in most First World countries), you can have a fabulous life in SA... The weather is super... Opportunities abound. South Africa has been through so much trauma politically and on the whole, the average Saffa makes the best of things and tries to make a difference in every day life.

Salbertina · 22/02/2013 09:44

Poop- wish there was a "like" option for your post, wholeheartedly agree

poopnscoop · 22/02/2013 09:44

Sorry, that was long. I feel rather passionate about SA... Am a citizen and love both Britain and SA.

Poor Reeva... Taken in the prime of her life... Her parents sound so lovely too. So hard for them.

Poor Oscar (if found to be innocent of Pre-med murder) as he has lost the woman he lives and that guilt of this tragedy will be with him forever. His life will never be the same. Either way. Whether jailed or not.

rubyrubyruby · 22/02/2013 09:46

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vess · 22/02/2013 10:04

Still, even according to his story, it is very clear that he completely failed to establish where she was before shooting. So either he meant to shoot her, or didn't care whether he was shooting at her.

WileyRoadRunner · 22/02/2013 10:07

I see the defence are arguing that you cannot move intent from one victim to another.... presumably this is lining themselves up to head for acquittal at trial?

Animation · 22/02/2013 10:13

"And the fact that his coach wants him to get back to training next week is so awful...."

Is that right - bloody hell.

The glibbness of it all turns my stomach.

Alibabaandthe40nappies · 22/02/2013 10:20

vess I'm not sure you can say that he didn't care if he was shooting at her (if he really was shooting at what he believed to be an intruder). I can't imagine that any of us would have our wits fully about us, to be woken in the night and believe your life is in danger - and to have to stop and put your legs on before you can go and do anything about it. If he is telling the truth then it is a horrific situation - your blood would be pounding and rational thought wouldn't be easy.

That is awful about his coach wanting him back in training. :( I guess he can see his own career going down the pan.

Bloody hell what a horrible mess.

Littleturkish · 22/02/2013 10:22

Yesterday I was quite convinced that Oscar's story was just a sad tragedy, a series of mistakes that had the most dreadful consequences.

But the updates today- the fact he passed her side of the bed three times, his submission of an afadevit over testifying, the open windows and unlocked door- what sort of man who is paranoid about safety sleeps in an unsecured house?

Whatever the verdict, this is a very sad case.

PuffPants · 22/02/2013 10:25

I think he'll get bail. I don't see how someone with a disability that requires frequent medical attention could be humanely accommodated in a jail there. Add that to his fame and he would immediately be a target for bullying, violence, extortion and worse...

Fair enough if he is eventually convicted but people on remand are presumed innocent until proven otherwise.

I doubt he is a flight risk - although I do see suicide as a likely conclusion to this.

Alibabaandthe40nappies · 22/02/2013 10:28

PuffPants - so do I.

vess · 22/02/2013 10:29

In effect you can, Alibaba. Facts come before speculations about how scared he was. I he did not check whether or not it was her, and there is, objectively, a very high chance it could be her (as indeed it was) - then it is only logical to assume that he didn't in fact care much if he was shooting at her.
You cannot prove exactly how scared he was, or what he thought at the time, but you can look at the facts.

WileyRoadRunner · 22/02/2013 10:30

I agree puffpants.

Also I think the idea he would undergo facial reconstruction is a bit far fetched. Surely his prosthetics would always give him away?

Animation · 22/02/2013 10:30

Yes, I think he's a big suicide risk - and more reason he shouldn't be given bail. He needs 24 hour watching.

Thisisaeuphemism · 22/02/2013 10:30

Just astonished at the 'poor Oscar' comments here and elsewhere - either he's a irrational paranoid murderer or a violent abusive murderer - why would you feel sorry for him?

vess · 22/02/2013 10:30

sorry, meant to write: If he did not check

vess · 22/02/2013 10:31

Maybe very strict house arrest?

BigAudioDynamite · 22/02/2013 10:33

I have lived in Africa. My in laws are African, but they are poor black African. So I understand the consideration of crime/fear (although there is less wealth than in SA)

What I am finding intwresting in these threads, is the willingness to excuse OP because of the fear of crime that he could experience. This emparhy is rarely extended to poor black Africans IME. There is more of an attitude of it is what it is, and you have to take responsibility for your own actions