Oscar pistorius

[spiderbabymum]

Heard the news this am

I'm just Devastated for him and his family and partners family

"No, Maryz, you're wrong there. They're based on the fact that he has a penis hmm"

Lougle That really is an enlightening comment.

You presume because he is a man that I think he is lying. What a strange thing to say.

I don't think mcmooncup is talking bollocks, but she seems to have raised a few hackles by posting an opinion that doesn't jibe with the prevailing opinion that Oscar must have done it in self defence.

I can understand why people want to believe he had a good reason, but the fact remains that he shot a young woman dead, and it may well have been deliberate.

Nowhere have I said it is fact, I have been quite clear it is my opinion.

What remorse has he shown for Reeva?

9. His lack of remorse for shooting his girlfriend dead - I think he is showing remorse I've seen about half a dozen stills of him in the courtroom and about 10 seconds footage of him walking in and out of court. How can you tell how remorseful he is from that? He hasn't said anything in open court, or made any statements.
All we know is he is sobbing uncontrollably every time her name was mentioned.

Maybe he is sobbing because he has fucked up his life and everything he has worked so hard for. Or maybe he is sobbing because the love of his life is dead and its his fault. We just don't know.

He would say sorry if it was about her.

That is a fact.

He has said he loved her. He has referred to the devastation caused to her family. He has wept uncontrollably in court.

He cannot say sorry in court. He will have been instructed not to say that.

What exactly do you want him to say?

You're wrong about Beckham btw - well-known OCD sufferer. If OP had OCD you'd be saying that was a red flag. DB also famously said he was going to marry Victoria before he'd even met her. Red flag alert!

Maybe he's sobbing and it's fake red, like you say we don't know.

You got there first red
No remorse? Honestly, you think he is crying for himself and not a bit for his girlfriend as he thought she deserved it?

I have no doubt the tears are real and he is distraught by what he has done.

Whether he shot her accidentally or deliberately, I'm certain he wishes he could undo it.

He really perked up when his brief was grilling Botha, didn't he? He soon puts the onion away stops sobbing when things seem to be going his way.

Hmmm OCD doesn't equal abuser.
And none of any of the list I threw together can be taken in isolation.....it's a pattern of behaviour.
Frankly his language gives enough away for me.......it's no surprise however you want to frame what happened that he thought it acceptable to best case shoot an intruder dead with no warning, and worst case his girlfriend he loves deeply. He is a violent man.

He really did perk up. His family did too. Yuk.

Did he perk up. I didn't see that, was it on one of the twitter feeds?

I think it would be perfectly likely for him to show genuine remorse after the event, whichever scenario is true.

Violent rages or crimes of passion are just that - in the heat of the moment.

I was joking about the onion. I do think he is genuinely distraught and grief-stricken, but that his misery is only for himself and his predicament.

Here, you're all going to love this one:

www.galaxytvonline.com/news/main-news/oscar-pistoriusfury-at-former-nigerian-ministers-attack-on-victim

"Fresh reports emanated on former Minister of Aviation, Femi Fani-Kayode sparking outrage on blaming South African model, Reeva Steenkamp for her own death. The erstwhile Aviation Minister labelled Reeva Steenkamp as 'jezebel' who provoked the global sporting star into a murderous rage.

He said that the Paralympian 'was provoked into a murderous rage by his pretty little lover and that she played on his insecurities and inadequacies.'

'In one moment of blind rage he has lost everything, and all because of a sexy and pretty little model who the devil sent his way,' he wrote. "

"I have no doubt the tears are real and he is distraught by what he has done."

"No remorse? Honestly, you think he is crying for himself and not a bit for his girlfriend as he thought she deserved it? "

IMO - those statements above are staggeringly naive. Have you ever met an abuser or narcissist?

When did he "perk up"? I haven't seen any actual footage of the trial, just been following the guardian's feed.

I think it's really dangerous to try to judge somebody's reactions/facial expressions. We're so often basing it on what we already think and using our imaginations to fill the gaps.

I have no idea whether he's guilty or innocent. The thought of going to a South African jail is just so grim that it makes me wonder why anyone would risk it.

Well at the very least he is acknowledging that OP murdered her deliberately onlymeee

You say don't judge people body language / facial expressions.

But the well known formula of how a message is communicated is:
7% comes from the actual words we use
55% comes from the body language
38% comes from the paralinguistics - tone, pace etc. of a voice.

It is very relevant to look at his body and face.
But again not in isolation.

With respect to OP being 'intense' and how it relates to other sports personnel, the coverage of the para olympics was enlightening. One (former I think) wheelchair racer talking abut how to beat David Wier...getting in his face, getting verbal about how 'you're going to mess him up', anything to mess with his head pre-race. All considered to be part of strategy, nothing more. Very few top sports personnel interview well after a big disappointment, especially where there's a (real or perceived) injustice.

Game face can be very different to 'normal' personality, but a lot of high achievers have an intense side...it's necessary.

The 'best interests' comment I find interesting as it could be taken in 2 very different ways; it could mean that he was controlling, or it could mean that he was trying to help her avoid past patterns.

Onlymeee - that's absolutely disgusting.

mcmooncup but I'd say most people are really bad at judging what people are feeling/thinking.

I am forever being judged as being a moody cow, a bit arrogant and up myself. But I am actually really shy.

My mum is always talking about people giving her dirty looks - I have NEVER noticed anyone giving me one. It's just about her self-esteem.

Believe OP is innocent and you'll see a distraught man who's torn apart by a tragic accident. Believe he's guilty and you'll see someone who's desperate to get off a charge by any means necessary.