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Oscar pistorius

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spiderbabymum · 14/02/2013 07:11

Heard the news this am

I'm just Devastated for him and his family and partners family

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mcmooncup · 21/02/2013 22:08

I am not the judge here, just a person discussing the case online. I happen to think he is as guilty as sin. Textbook narcissist. Textbook abuser.

The only thing that mattered to him at that moment was getting her to STFU.

His entire defence is based on "well someone could do this, you know if you really think about it". It's bullshit.

However, I do still think he will not be charged with the above, the pathetic posturing going on in the court already will put paid to the truth being the priority, and he has the advantage that his victim is dead.

Poor Reeva.

AnyaKnowIt · 21/02/2013 22:09

For someone who was in fear of being broken into why leave ladders by an open window and patio doors open?

And to be able to sort out a fan in pitch dark yet not be able to tell if Reeva was in bed or not when he went to get his gun?

PuffPants · 21/02/2013 22:14

How do you know he is a text-book abuser MoonCup?

lougle · 21/02/2013 22:18

Text book narcissist??

Until a few days ago he was just the guy who had managed to compete in both the olympics and paralympics. I certainly never saw any press coverage about him, good or bad, in terms of relationships.

thefirstmrsrochester · 21/02/2013 22:22

Or a textbook narcissist?

Ladders were left by whomever was fixing the broken window - they were coming back to finish off the repairs the defence said yesterday.

mcmooncup · 21/02/2013 22:24

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Manchesterhistorygirl · 21/02/2013 22:25

Mcmooncup are you Montpellier by another name? How do you know he's a narcissist or abuser? What's your connection to know that or are you just another armchair detective?

onlymeee · 21/02/2013 22:26

"the basic premise is 'innocent until proven guilty' and the burden of proof is on the prosecution, not the defendant. That might be worth remembering"

Er no, there's no doubt that he's guilty. He admits killing her. So "presumed innocent untl proven guilty" doesn't apply here.

And this is a bail hearing, not a trial. The burden of proof is on the defence to show why he should be granted bail. Not on the prosecution to show why he should not.

Manchesterhistorygirl · 21/02/2013 22:26

Deeply In Love after 2 months is a red flag? Really? Dh and I were engaged after 6 weeks and married after 18 months. Been married coming up 14 years.

mcmooncup · 21/02/2013 22:33

I do work with narcissists all the time. There is a lot given away by the language he uses.

hellsbells76 · 21/02/2013 22:36

Very early declarations of love: well recognised as a red flag for abuse, regardless of your personal experience. The prosecution were making a lot of the presence of both their phones in the bathroom, and talking about phone records today. That sounds like it might be significant.

BlingBubbles · 21/02/2013 22:39

Mooncup, your list is quite comprehensive,however, I most certainly didn't see uncontrollable rage after he lost the Olympic race, he was clearly not happy but I wouldn't have called it uncontrollable rage!

As for the superiority complex, he is a top athlete, most top athletes have superiority complexes that's what makes them the best at what they do.

I think personally whatever has happened both scenarios are absolutely awful, he shot her on purpose or by accident, she is still dead!

For those posters saying he will get off because of who he is etc, I think the opposite, SA will want to make a statement with this, if he gets off, the general South African population will not be impressed and will think it's because he is white and rich..... So I think he might have that going against him.

As I have said on this thread many times I am completely on the fence with one, there are holes in both the defence and the prosecution, hopefully more evidence etc will come out in the trial.

lougle · 21/02/2013 22:41

"Er no, there's no doubt that he's guilty. He admits killing her."

That doesn't (necessarily) make him guilty of murder which is the charge.

Does the fact that a woman has been in abusive relationships in the past mean that she should never find a decent man? If that's a red flag, then any man who went out with her afterwards would have red flags waving.

Maryz · 21/02/2013 22:41

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BlingBubbles · 21/02/2013 22:41

Oh and I forgot to add, we don't know how remorseful he is, he hasn't made any statements and or been questioned under oath in the court, he has only read out his affidavit, which another poster pointed out on the other thread you would never apologise in as its a legal document.

lougle · 21/02/2013 22:42

"But most of these comments are, quite frankly, based on no facts whatsoever."

No, Maryz, you're wrong there. They're based on the fact that he has a penis

flippinada · 21/02/2013 22:44

Manchester - there are literally hundreds of posts speculating on the scenario which led to the shooting and someone comes along to say "well I think he's guilty because x,y,z" and just because you don't agree, they're an armchair detective and must be another poster as well? Come on!

Also re: comments on red flags, the point is that one of those taken out of context - as you've done - doesn't equal an abusive relationship; it's a number of them put together that point to an abusive relationship.

As I've said previously, he shot her, and he shot to kill. There's no getting around that awful fact. He just has to get his defence to convince the judge that he had a his reason for doing it.

Maryz · 21/02/2013 22:46

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tiredofwaitingforitalltochange · 21/02/2013 22:46

Maryz I've been lurking and was about to post for the first time in response to mcmooncup's bollocks list but you've done it already, so thanks for that.

AmIthatWintry · 21/02/2013 22:49

"Textbook narcissist. Textbook abuser.
The only thing that mattered to him at that moment was getting her to STFU. "

If only I had your insight, it would be easier for me to judge

MooncupGoddess · 21/02/2013 22:50

Yes, quite Maryz. Here he would presumably be convicted of manslaughter, or even murder given that he had no reason to think he was at immediate risk from the 'intruder'. Cf the Tony Martin case.

It is rather terrifying if in SA one can shoot dead a perceived intruder (who one hasn't actually seen and may not be armed or dangerous) with impunity.

flippinada · 21/02/2013 22:52

His reason should read "good" reason

BeCool · 21/02/2013 22:53

The "remorse regret and serious upset" he is now showing could well be because his fucked his life up.

He could have intended to kill her and did in the heat of the moment, in a rage, and still experience remorse regret and serious upset.

Snazzynewyear · 21/02/2013 22:58

I'm not sure about the extensive list of red flags being listed just now, but that phrase attributed to Reeva about him being 'intense' but 'having her best interests at heart' does sound like something was slightly off.

I think the forensics (if properly done) and the phone records will be crucial. They will reveal stuff that isn't all about interpretation. There may have been texts or voicemails that will give more context to the relationship.

Maryz · 21/02/2013 22:59

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