Oscar pistorius

[spiderbabymum]

Heard the news this am

I'm just Devastated for him and his family and partners family

I've woken up before in the night and been absolutely terrified because I heard a noise. In fact, the night before last. I did not call out to my DH or reach for him.

He says in his account that he wasn't in bed when he heard the noise. He wouldn't necessarily know how Reeva would react, and why would he go back and wake her?

He was frightened. He did what seemed the only thing to do at the time.

Don't disagree with you on that apple
Nothing changes the fact that she lost her life & he pulled the trigger.
There was an article in the guardian at the weekend linking similar trials & it seems that culpable homicide conviction does not mean a custodial sentence.
Everything about this is extraordinary.

" He wouldn't necessarily know how Reeva would react, and why would he go back and wake her?"

You're right, I can see how it would be kinder to wake her gently with the sound of gunfire.

apple I doubt there were shelves. It's a small toilet room with a loo and hand basin. I bet the toilet seat is soft closing. If she did knock something off a shelf in toilet or bathroom or even drop something then there will be evidence of that and it will come out in the trial.

lougle. If she wasn't that familiar with bathroom and toilet she would surely have turned the lights on?

" BeCool Thu 21-Feb-13 21:22:40

lougle. If she wasn't that familiar with bathroom and toilet she would surely have turned the lights on? "

Depends on her personality, doesn't it? When I was first married (I was one of those traditional types and DH and I only started living together when we married) I didn't want to wake DH if I needed the loo. I would carefully make my way to the loo and back.

In fact, I do now. I never turn a light on. Ever.

Not even in the pitch dark in a house that's not your own lougle?

Also if he was already up when Reeva got up she would have known that. So no need to not turn light on so as not to disturb him.

The room doesn't seem to be THAT big.

"He was frightened. He did what seemed the only thing to do at the time."

Fuck Lougle, you really think that was the only thing he could do at that time? Pour a load of bullets into an unknown person? No warning? No checking who it was?

He walked back across the room, got his gun and then did it. It wasn't even spur of the moment, gun in hand.

Not that I believe for a second that he didn't know who he was shooting at of course.

I'm with you Mcmooncup.

The witness said the light was on.
Despite the defence trying to discount the noise element of the statement, currently unproven, there is a signed witness/neighbour prepared to swear that the lights were on.

The layout suggests turning bathroom or toilet light on would not have resulted in any light shining onto the bed. It would not have disturbed him if he was asleep. And he was up anyway.

Are we ment to believe that not only he didn't notice she wasn't in the bed, but she also woke and didn't notice he was up and messing around on the balcony? Yes it is a possibility, anything is, but it's too perculiar. OP states the whole thing from him getting up to realising he had shot her and then putting his legs on happened in the pitch dark.

Witness accounts are notoriously unreliable though. Easy for defence to create reasonable doubt re them.

I wonder if he's given the investigators a full detailed statement yet or if he has been told to STFU by his lawyers.

"Witness accounts are notoriously unreliable though"

So are the accounts of men who shoot women and there are no witnesses becool

I'm with Mcmooncup on this too

mcmooncup - the 'witness' also claimed to hear shouting, either 600 or 300 metres away, when in fact the dB of a shout is 80dB and at a distance of 300 metres would be equivalent to a hearing the buzz of mosquitos. At 600 metres, the sound equivalent is barely more than the sound of normal breathing.

Still think that witness is reliable?

Yes mcmooncup yes.

Re sound travelling at night, on a still clear night in an otherwise quiet place you would be very surprised just how far noise can travel. And the distance is still TBC.

I have no idea if that witness is reliable but then again I don't know whether Oscar Pistorious is reliable. You seem to think he is......why is that?

Also the way sound travels varies quite a bit with the weather conditions. I live in a village that is bypassed by a busy main road, but I'm the furthest away from the road, much more than 600m. Some days we can hear the traffic pretty loud, sometimes just a faint hum - and some days don't hear it at all.

I don't mcmooncup, but the basic premise is 'innocent until proven guilty' and the burden of proof is on the prosecution, not the defendant. That might be worth remembering.

I would lock the loo door always i would personally put light on too
If she was running from him why sit and have a wee!!
Plus they had only been dating for a few months
Would lock the door as still new relationship
If he heard op shouting about an intruder would have locked the door if not already to feel safe
Surely if the loo window was broken and had a ladder outside locking herself in loo wouldnt help her get away couldnt he climb in through window to get her