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Grayling defending smacking

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seventiesgirl · 03/02/2013 11:38

Never did him any harm apparently. The tory party are such a bunch of tossers. Whatever next?

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PolkadotCircus · 03/02/2013 22:18

So Jammy what if the other child hasn't misbehaved and is enjoying said toddler group?

YellowAndGreenAndRedAndBlue · 03/02/2013 22:19

I don't have an excess of patience, I just don't hit. I thnk describing it as saintlike and pulling Hmm faces is a bit uncalled for. Saintlike implies it is really out of the ordinary, but actually isn't it about 50/50 do/don't hit?

PolkadotCircus · 03/02/2013 22:20

I don't hit but I'm certainly not patient.

duchesse · 03/02/2013 22:23

Explain to well-behaved child that you are going to have to go home, but they can have hot-chocolate with marshmallows on when you get there/ some other treat while badly-behaved child is going to go for some time out. And for goodness sake don't forget to explain to punished child why you are leaving! I have often left shops/ restaurants/cafes due with a screaming small child, sat outside with them until they stop screaming (usually quite quickly as they're so shocked to be literally out in the cold), explained why we had to leave, got their cooperation and gone back in again. Once they know you mean it, they stop misbehaving in public.

I was able to take my 6, 4 and 2 year olds at the same time to full-length classical music concerts. OK, the 2 year old needed my credit cards and purse to play with after about 30 mn but the point is they were completely quiet and well-behaved.

JammySplodger · 03/02/2013 22:24

Thankfully they're 4 years apart Polka so I've not had too many occasions where I've had to do that, and DS1 has been quite understanding really, I try to make sure he has an alternative treat when we get home.

TBH DS1 was far worse, used to have proper full on tantrums but knowing that if I said 'you mess, we go home' worked really quite well.

Dancergirl · 03/02/2013 22:26

alldirections and polkadot - slightly comforting to know I'm not alone. But her behaviour gets me down at times and sometimes I feel like a complete failure as a parent as I really do believe that behaviour is down to parenting not the child.

duchesse · 03/02/2013 22:30

Dancer, I used to think that but the more time goes on the more I believe that actually their own personalities and genetic makeup play a huge role. You only handle them the way they are in the first place and they are born with a personality that reacts with those around them in a particular way. You can use pretty much the same parenting with different children and end up with widely different results! So I'm not sure parenting (unless it involves keeping the kid in a box and/or abusing it daily) has as much effect as all that. It's the eternal nature/nurture debate though- not decided yet.

monkeyfloss · 03/02/2013 22:32

Not only is it wrong I don't believe it works! Most small children misbehave for attention and as perverse as it sounds smacking is attention. It also shows them that you are out of control and boy do they love an out of control parent!

JammySplodger · 03/02/2013 22:35

By the way, I'd like to point out that I'm no saint and did smack DS1's hand once, when he belted me round the face (aged about three I think). But I instantly felt bad, we both calmed down and talked it through, and we both promised not to hit each other again. We've pretty much stuck to that, bar the odd moment from DS1 but both boys know I'm zero tolerance on hitting and straight there with the naughty step. I've seen what hitting by adults can do and have no desire to have two boys who hit.

PolkadotCircus · 03/02/2013 22:37

Jammy I had 3 in a year so not that easy to frogmarch also my dd can be clever enough to try and get a frogmarch if she thinks it will hack off her brothers.

Dancer you're more charitable than me,ain't my parenting dd is simply a minx like I was.

AllDirections · 03/02/2013 22:37

Dancergirl if your other DC don't behave like your youngest DD then it can't be all about your parenting. I agree with duchesse that the personality of each child makes a massive difference. I thought I had this parenting thing all worked out... and then DD3 came along.

pointythings · 03/02/2013 22:39

Staying calm and patient is incredibly, incredibly hard. Mine are 10 and 12 now and I find discipline is actually easier (although I suspect that may also be due to them having learned boundaries very young) now they are older and have well developed conscience and empathy. With a stropping 3yo it's incredibly difficult. My mum, who did occasionally smack me and my DSis comments on how patient I am - and how she wishes she had been able to do the same. I don't know how I've done it, it's just in me.

And then I resort to reading crappy vampire romances when the DDs have gone to bed to wind down. Somehow it works.

I've had to resort to some pretty unorthodox methods - such as the day DD1 (5 at the time) refused to put on her shoes. So I said fine, go without (this was in February). Knowing full well her PE kit, including plimsolls, was at school, I took her to school, walked with her from the car to the school gate, explained to her teacher what had happened and could she please wear her plimsolls for the day, and left for work. I did not at any time raise my voice - no idea how, I was seething inside. But it worked. She never tried it again.

Funnily enough I now have two DDs who will put themselves into 'time out' when they feel they are getting overheated - they simply tell us they want a time out, go to their room and cool down. It's taken a long time, but it works really well.

LittleTyga · 03/02/2013 22:41

I never hit any of my dd's - I held on to them firmly so they couldn't run out on the road, I moved the kettle lead out of sight so they wouldn't pull it. I would keep them out of the kitchen when I was cooking so they didn't touch the oven. If they keep moving things off the bookshelf - Move the stuff off the shelf out of reach! How can you smack a child? A poor tiny little child! I couldn't. A firm No - and assessing the danger before they encounter it.

One of mine is a bit of a fibber - so I threaten removal of a toy, or say her friends can't come over - whatever unless she tells me the truth. I would never hit her, just not necessary at all.

PolkadotCircus · 03/02/2013 22:41

What all said.3 very close together,all treated the same.Dd is different. I can take the dtwinsi ipods away and they are putty in my hands.Dd owns absolutely nothing that she cares enough about to be upset if it went,she is sooo unmaterialistic - and stubborn!

PolkadotCircus · 03/02/2013 22:47

Pointy. I have frogmarched dd down the drive in her nighty when she wouldn't get dressed for school.Worked a treat but her sobbing sure didn't make me feel better. I do worry re threatening to do things that it isn't much better than a smack and may actually be worse.

You have to do something.We had morning after morning with dd being a pita and stressing all of us out sooooo I put her uniform in a bag and said she could get dressed at school-zilch so we did the drive walk of shame-then she caved.I then took her to the school office and made her apologise to the secretary for making her brothers late.Sad

It really upset her.

doyouwantfrieswiththat · 03/02/2013 22:55

From as early as I can remember my mother smacked us till she felt better and I even remember her smacking me when I got upset and cried because she made my brother cry by smacking him. In fact I acted this out when we played mummies & daddies at playtime and ended up hurting one of my friends.

To me it is the last resort of a person who cannot cope.

I have a friend who strongly advocates smacking, she also believes in creationism. Just because she thinks it's right it doesn't mean I have to.

Dancergirl · 03/02/2013 22:56

Me too alldirections! Unless my memory fails me, I really don't think dds 1 and 2 behaved badly at this age.

How old are your older 2? My older two are only 21 months apart and then 4 years down to dd3. Dd3's BIG bug-bear is that she's the baby of the family and wants to do EXACTLY as her sisters do. She's SO jealous, I can't even give as much as a cuddle to the other two without her muscling in.

Me (to dd2): what was that darling?
Dd3: call ME darling!

Me (explaining something to dd1)
Dd3: tell ME! (using the EXACT same words)

Dd2 going to brownies
Dd3: I want to go to brownies!

Me stroking dd2's hair
Dd3: stroke MY hair!

Ad infinitum. Older two dds are getting really fed up with her. Not the sisterly love I had hoped for Sad

SolidGoldBrass · 03/02/2013 23:00

Mind you, whatever you do, and however much of a Perfect Parent you think you are, you will fuck up at some point. Even if you don't regret some of your parenting choices immediately after you've made them, there will come a point when your DC are adults at which you will find out that something you did made them, for a while, bitterly resentful of you and convinced you were a horrible parent.
This is partly because DC are all individuals and what might seem like a fair sanction/punishment/decision to you (and indeed to someone else's kids or one of yours but not another) seems horribly disproportionate or upsetting to them.

On the whole, a parent who slaps a child occasionally is teaching that child two useful and important lessons. One is that nobody's perfect and people sometimes do things they regret, the second is that if you carry on deliberately pissing someone off when that person has already warned you to pack it in more than once, there is a possibility they will hit you.

PolkadotCircus · 03/02/2013 23:02

Doyouwant all people who smack don't smack like that.An awful lot of posters are inferring that all who smack did/do it in this way-they don't.

I may not smack but I can see that there are plenty who do it in a reasoned way not out of anger.My mother certainly did and in a lot of ways she showed less anger and more control than I do when disciplining.

doyouwantfrieswiththat · 03/02/2013 23:12

Polkadot I understand that or I would be concerned for the welfare of my friend's children. But that is outside my experience, I know what it did to me.

Italiangreyhound · 03/02/2013 23:27

I haven't read all the comment on the thread but I did read some and read the Chris Grayling interview. We have had some real ups and downs with our DD's behaviour. I can really receommend the book 'The parenting puzzle' and the family links nurturing course has wonderful ideas (based on evidence) of good ways to parent children. This is in answer to the original post not all the individual comments.

theparentingpuzzle.co.uk/

www.familylinks.org.uk/

I found the course excellent and it offered lots of positive examples of parenting and how to bring children up in a positive and encouraging environment.

amazingmumof6 · 03/02/2013 23:33

it's easy to find out who approves, who doesn't, just listen to the word that's used

if someone says "smacking" they are doing it. (proudly or ashamedly)

if they say "hitting" or "beating" they are not doing it.

EIizaDay · 03/02/2013 23:45

Smacking is very different from hitting or beating - and you know that.

I was smacked as a child. I can't remember it but my mum told me that happened when I just wouldn't behave and it was necessary. Hasn't done me any harm.

EIizaDay · 03/02/2013 23:48

Smacking is very different from hitting or beating - and you know that.

I was smacked as a child. I can't remember it but my mum told me that happened when I just wouldn't behave and it was necessary. Hasn't done me any harm.

Collaborate · 04/02/2013 00:03

So Grayling suggests a little smack when children are naughty? Personally a couple if spliffs and some whiskey serve to relax me just as well.

(Apologies if someone's already done this one upthread).