Woman dies in Galway after being denied termination

[AThingInYourLife]

Holy evil pro-life bastards, batman

The wonder is it that there haven't been more

RIP Savita Halappanavar :(

That's it, MaryZ. Women have ectopic pregnancies here and the foetus is removed, heartbeat or no heartbeat. Completely illogical that in this scenario, Savita was refused a termination which could have saved her life because there was a heartbeat in an unviable foetus which had no chance at all of survival.

narked it appears savita was Indian. She may not have had a visa to come to the uk even if someone had told her.
This exposes the utter unsuitability and myopia in relying on another country to provide what should already have been available.

And another definition for you extro.

fascism
1. any ideology or movement inspired by Italian Fascism, such as German National Socialism; any right-wing nationalist ideology or movement with an authoritarian and hierarchical structure that is fundamentally opposed to democracy and liberalism
2. any ideology, movement, programme, tendency, etc, that may be characterized as right-wing, chauvinist, authoritarian, etc
3. prejudice in relation to the subject specified: body fascism

I think you have more than accurately been identified correctly.

Grimma, most people would, not SolidGoldBrass- as she explicitly states on her blog and on this site.

I know the numbers of people having third trimester abortions for non-medical reasons would be very low indeed. Still, one would be too many. Few people go on mass shooting sprees. Should that be legal because it's rare?

Extrastoopid: And what about the demonstrable numbers of women who die because they can't get abortions? Clearly that's not too many for you.

"extrastoopid" girl you are so clever.

Ann Furedi wrote an article once explaining why she thought that women 35 weeks pregnant are not in a morally different predicament to women 5 weeks pregnant and so they should be able to get a no-questions-asked abortion, as "the early embryo and the late fetus have the same moral value to me- as a potential human being." She may have expressed a sick viewpoint marginally less unhinged than the Peter Singer/ Tooley pro-infanticide ones but at least she didn't resort to name calling.

Extro - my point was that the implication was that rejection of SGBs extreme position depends on being 'an anti-murder Christian'. It doesn't.

as I understand it the infection developed because her cervix was open for far too long. This lady was a dentist, she was medically trained, for her to ask for a termination, she must have known something was terribly wrong.
Not having the termination put her life at risk. And in the case of a baby who had no hope of life at all in any case, it was wrong to prioritise it's life over the life of it's mother. Even if you are pro-life I can't see how this makes sense.

True. I don't think in this case it would have been in any way appropriate or practical for her to come to England. She was beyond travelling. It's heart breaking that she was left to suffer and die in a hospital that should have been helping her. I've heard from family how much Galway has changed in the past 25 years. Not enough.

You can't Crikey, you don't understand what I'm saying.

That's because you are making statements that you are not qualified to make & contradicting yourself wildly.

Your view is that she should have had an abortion, but that it would have made no difference if she had You have also displayed a really flawed understanding of what infection means (as your tonsillitis analogy showed) and what is meant by "source of infection".

I understand entirely what you're saying, I just don't agree. And jumping up and down getting cross & calling me stupid says rather more about you than you probably realise.

One other tiny redeeming aspect of Furedi- who I have called MOF [matriarch of foeticide] before for her many years at the top of the UK's main baby-killing service- is that she refers to "pro-lifers", having the decency to accept that the pro-life position is based on concern for life. Many second-wave feminist pro-choicers accepted that simple fact too.

Third-wavers- including SolidGold, Marcotte, Valenti, Posner, and Erin Gloria Ryan- are completely incapable of seeing the fact we support life and have gone in for "anti-choicer" and "woman-hater" with all the nonsense about us just wanting to stop women having SEX [fucking bullshit pure and simple- we are pro-sex within marriage, and many women who have abortions are married women, so it's not the sex we object to.]

The treatment of Savita was barbaric and she died a agonising and preventable death. Some sickeningly unsympathetic posts on here. I'm appalled at the lengths the anti-abortion brigade will go to, to defend their views.

Since reading Savita's story and learning of the other women in Ireland who have lost their lives in this way, 'pro-life' is a term which I simply cannot use to describe anti-abortionists. Forced-birthers is probably more accurate.

My sincerest thoughts and sympathies go to Savita's husband and family.

the pro-life position is based on concern for life

Just not the mother's life.

Would you stop falsely claiming that I have no concern for born babies or children if I told you I regularly donated to NSPCC as well as SPUC (and the NSPCC has repeatedly refused to offer a policy on abortion, stating that it exceeds its remit as it works within the British legal definition of "child" from the first independent breath after birth until the age of 18.)

^the pro-life position is based on concern for life

Just not the mother's life.^

True story.

"forced-birther"="anti-choicer"="woman-hater"="Christian Taliban"="bigot"="anti-reproductive-freedom activist"=whatever the next dumb term the extremist lobby come up with.

Or how about not taking your cues from the next invention of Abortion Rights, BPAS, NARAL, Guardian journalists and the Fawcett Society and just calling us what we are- PRO LIFERS.

but if the cap fits...?

But you're not pro-life. You're pro-unborn babies lives. You are not pro-life of the mother. If you gave a shit about the mother's life, you would support her right to make her own choices.

'the pro-life position is based on concern for life'

'Just not the mother's life'

All SPUC's stickers and posters I've seen show a foetus. I stopped putting money in the collection box at the back of church and taking a sticker when I became a teenager. It started to occur to me that there was a reason they never showed the women.

Can I go on Extrospectiv's list, please?

Who from MN is on it?

SGB, Seeker?

A new clique!

If your stated position is that women who become pregnant must carry the child to term, regardless of her feelings on the subject they how can you not claims that you are a forced birther?

Extro- what's your stance on capital punishment?

[sigh] Extrospektiv and SPUC would make anyone "pro-abortion"

Did you vote against the Children's Referendum? Oh, no you couldn't, because you don't live in Ireland. But I bet you would have if you did

Opus Dei a bit liberal for you?