Woman dies in Galway after being denied termination

[AThingInYourLife]

Holy evil pro-life bastards, batman

The wonder is it that there haven't been more

RIP Savita Halappanavar :(

Horrific to think this happened in a first world country. So glad I live where I do we have much to be thankful for in the UK.

So they could not say the baby would definitely not survive
But that's what the doctors did say in this terrible case. What happened to your friend is irrelevant.

Prof O'Dwyer words are a disgrace. Thanks for finding that, Holey.

Am I misunderstanding the O´Dwyer words then?

As that reads to me that treatment that leads to the loss of a foetus can be carried out as it is not a "direct abortion"

I find the comments from people who say that support a woman's right to have abortion but would never have one themselves both arrogant and naive. You just never know. You just never know whether you might one day need to have an abortion yourselves.

Not ANOTHER excuse to bash pro-lifers, please!!!

On this forum it seems you get called "EXTREME RIGHT WING" or similar stupid and misleading terms for the following:
Being Pro-life ["ANTI-CHOICE", "anti-woman", "misogynist", against "human rights" or "reproductive freedom"]
Supporting traditional sexual ethics ["outdated", "repressed", "something wrong with you", "homophobe", "Bigot!", "sex-negative", "sex-phobic"]
Believing parents have a right to know if their children are having sex or pregnant and telling teachers, youth workers or social workers [against "confidential pastoral care", "responsible adults", "professionals", "safeguarding", "young people's right to privacy"]
Respecting the US Republican Party ["wingnut", "way out of the mainstream", "hate blacks and poor people", "no compassion"]

And far more.

We need more political balance on here. To start with, STOP using snarl words against conservative views and definitely STOP using one tragic case where a woman's life was in the balance to assault "pro-lifers". Pro-lifers, I am a SPUC member and churchgoer affiliated with a Muslim interfaith group and another profamily group too so I know enough of 'em, do not want women to die. Any sensible pro-lifer would allow the fetus to be induced here, as the effect would be to save the mother's life; the fact the fetus could not live as it is unviable at 17 weeks would be secondary.

Too many times I have seen abortion proponents jump from tragedies (severe medical complications, rape, or incest) to abortion-on-demand, which is always their real goal in the first place. At least ninety-nine per cent of people who disagree with abortion-on-demand don't therefore hold a "let women die" view.

Bangalore - no one is 'indulging' in 'bashing Ireland'. There is no other response to the current governmental stance on abortion, and no other response to the impact the beliefs about the legal position or about the relative sanctity of the foetus and mother have had on this case than outright abhorrence and condemnation. If change is coming, great, because I am sure most of the posters on this thread are in sympathy and on the side of all the RoI citizens who want that change.

But the only response to those on power is to condemn, or 'bash'. And that is also on behalf of righgt thinking citizens, and especially women who are the victims of their own government. The condemnation is on behalf of and in support of Irish people!

pro lifers can rot in hell for all i care.

we live in a modern society that should be about choice,

can you not see its this narrow mindedness that caused a womans death.

^^MrsBucketxx- so should I have the choice to deny a black person a job because they are black?

I don't think that should be legal, and I wouldn't do so if it was, but it shows how "choice" sometimes needs to be restricted in a "modern society" to protect oppressed groups, which in the past were left to suffer the will of the majority.

Unborn babies are the most oppressed group when they aren't even given a legal right to life.

While this case is clearly an issue of moral, medical and governmental irresponsibility, to paint all the Irish with the same brush and equating them to the bloody Taliban is not on.

Yes, there is outrage over this case, and yes I'm sure many, many Irish wish something can be done to change the system.

But if you want to get angry about something, focus on the issues abound in your OWN country---allowing a terrorist sympathizer to remain in England, care home abuse scandals, Shiny Dave & company, pedophiles, pedophiles, pedophiles, etc. It's all well to say you're glad you don't live in Ireland...but no nation is perfect.

Thoughts and prayers with this poor woman and her family.

Can we remember (on all sides) that this is a thread about one recently deceased woman and her DH who watched her suffer, who is now grieving his heart out?

interesting article

I agree Extro that there is not enough political balance on some forums. I have been reading this thread with interest. I am pro life too (and my family are Irish) but I totally disagree with the doctors attitude to this poor woman. They should have definitely induced the fetus to save the womans life. In an ideal world it would be great if no women had abortions - it is such a difficult issue, if abortion were illegal then it would go underground and become even more dangerous. What we need is balance - I do not agree with abortion on demand but then again the other extreme as happened with this poor lady is totally wrong too.

Ah, the voice of sweet reason! Always nice to see- and so eloquent too! Welcome, extrospextiv!

Folks, there is no doctor on the island of Ireland who would deny a mother life-saving treatment that would, as a side-effect, result in the termination of her pregnancy. That's a fact. It is done every other day. I suspect, perhaps, that this case might be one where medical questions, not legislative ones, need to be answered. God rest her soul. My heart goes out to her and her family.

no of course im not racist.

i cant believe you class unborn babies as a minority group

When people are allowed to kill them legally how can they be anything other than an oppressed group? As for minority, that's a statistical fact. There are clearly more born people than unborn babies at any time. Plus they have no voice of their own so others must speak for them, as the Catholic Church have done [while not recommending that a mother be left to die!]

Does anyone else not see a bit of a conflict between the argument that a fetus is an unborn child and deserves the rights, with the demand for parental rights to know things that their children have shared in confidence with another trusted adult? So the baby has rights when it's in the womb, but once outside it becomes your property? Bit of a tangent, but really, make up your minds.

This man had to watch his wife die in agony because her doctors were too scared, too stupid or too ignorant to act. That is a travesty. It's all fine and well talking about how reasonable pro-lifers permit exceptions for the life of the mother, but then you have to legislate what those circumstances must be. And then you end up with situations like this, where the mother may not have quite met all the criteria for needing a termination on the grounds of danger to her life, but by the time she did meet the criteria, she was dead. These situations are inevitable when you start from the viewpoint that the fetus is sacred and it's rights must be protected above the mother's.

My right to bodily autonomy is protected by law. Your god did not create my life. He did not create my son. Biology is amazing, my body grew a whole new person, god had nothing to do with it. Your god can stay the fuck away from my rights, my uterus and my body.

Oh, and just because something is traditional, doesn't mean it isn't shite.

"seeker I think I remember supporting you on a past thread where someone was complaining that you were a "middle-class educated white liberal" and so shouldn't be making anti-racist comments, to which you answered "guilty as charged". Perhaps you should concentrate on fighting BNP and similar bigots instead of attacking conservative and pro-life people."

Oh don't worry- I'm quite capable of doing both.......!!!!!,

belive what you want just dont impose them onto me.

Extro thanks. I've written about it in my mumsnet blog - Mussolini's Mam. Too much knee-jerk reaction and too little reflection on a precious life - two precious lives - and what might have caused their end. It's a horrific case. I can't imagine what that poor girl went through and now her husband and family. There must be accountability for what happened. Those using the death for their own political ends are despicable in their actions.

Explaining the protocol to follow and the combination of malpractice and the role of religion and law here: drjengunter.wordpress.com/2012/11/14/did-irish-catholic-law-or-malpractice-kill-savita-halappanavar/