Exposure, newsnight etc discussion part 2

[MrsjREwing]

Last thread full.

Steve has released a statement responding to Lord McAlpines statement.

I agree that he isn't the right leader for the BBC at the present time.

To me he appeared on his own. The surrounding exec were changing over and a lot of thompsons allies were still there. Also people who failed to get his job. He had no time to build up his team and get protection

Or as a conspiracy are they getting rid of people who dared to tell about saville and are replacing them with their own
Hmmmmmmmmmmm strokes chin!!!!

Runs off to find tweezers

He was responsible for output on BBC when the decision to cancel the Saville programme was made. He is thoroughly involved in this whole situation unless you believe that it is appropriate for the man in charge of programming to have a conversation along the lines of

" George, I should warn youthat Newsnight are investigating Jimmy Saville and the revelations could necessitate the cancelling of your 4 planned tribute programmes which are centre pieces of the BBC Chistmas schedule"

"oh. righty-ho.............."

The idea that he walked, unwittingly and like a lamb into this situation is laughable. Thompson just played the 'who is left holding the baby' game better.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Davie

Selwyns college Cambridge

Tim davie tried to close 6 music. He decimated radio in his time there.
I don't think he would be good for bbc

The news editorial board signed off the documentary therefore entwhistle would expect to trust the board wouldn't he.

Anyway mac alpine wasn't named 4 names came up in twitter and he was outside the usual suspects.
He also had a tonne of lawyers advice.

'Trust is the key' we are being told.
I don't fully trust the tale we are being told.

If I had sat before a select committee explaining and justifying the monumental fuck up that the Newsnight team, presumeably with appropriate approvals , had made, and confirmed that I - I - was ensuring that the editorial decisions would be rigorous and appropriate going forward then no. Unless I was an incompetent arse I wouldn't.

And what the board thought pales into insignificance against his statement that he had no idea what the programme content was until after it aired.

So he is supposed to be watching Newsnight like ahawk yet does not ask, has no knowledge that it is covering abuse again. Heis in charge of he BBC yet has no clue for the whole of the day of broadcast that Newsnight have said they will implicate a Tory grandee. This Internet maelstrom passes him totally by.
Was he in outer Mongolia?

MacAlpine was named on twitter and social media. I knew MacAlpine was being named and I barely use twitter. I am a twitter twit.

I urge everyone who hasnt read this link posted earlier to go back and read it

its posted by Mrcrumpswife Sat 10-Nov-12 17:15:19

sorry cant do links, but well worth reading

here it is as a link Nick Davies - the man who exposed phone hacking - on the original inquiry that covered up child abuse in North Wales.

Very sorry to see Entwistle go.

All it means is someone decent like him is left to fall on his sword while dreadful hacks get to peddle slanderous, life mangling untruths.

Did you hear the interview shouting down John Humpheys gave him this morning? Even Mr Turquoise was joining in with me with repeatedly saying 'you can't say that'! He discredited SM, and said he was an unreliable witness! Entwistle tried hard to defend SM, but Humphreys repeatedly shouted over him until he could say it with no reply. And there it was. Awful. Well done Humphrys. Any chance of further investigation into living perpetrators of crimes against SM were blown away Then he has a go at Entwistle. Sorry, but it is not the overall job of the director-general to check every aspect of every programme that's aired. Yes, someone should have checked it, and no doubt it was someone's job to do that. But it is not unreasonable for Entwistle not to have known about these problems until he did. His resigning achieves nothing. But of course, Humphreys loves to lay into someone and the nastier and shoutier he can be to someone (anyone) the better. Just pathetic! Humpheys probably thinks it was his shining bloody hour, too.

Tim Davie as DG? he's just a marketing man. I don't have any faith in him

Yes, Humphries asked tough questions. My guess is that he already knew that Entwistle would have to go, which is why he could be so tough. And Entwistle did a terrible job of defending himself, so he possibly knew that he would be going too.

Levantine, he is only temporary while they work out who a permanent replacement will be.

No. Of course it's not the job of the DG to check every programme that's aired.

If he were resigning over a challenging plot line on Tellytubbies when Dipsey really coukdn't find his hat and toddlers all over the country were left perturbed I would be right with you.

But when he is warned about Newsnight and ignores it. Then has to go in front of a select committee about Newsnight and admit terrible errors and omissions by all those involved. And then assure everyone he is all over this specific problem. I think expecting him to have some idea of what the programme is covering isn't exactly challenging his brief to an unreasonable degree.

Ah that makes more sense. Entwhistle was out of his depth but I do think he is a decent person

Who would want that job? Anyone decent is implicated.
I know that Murdoch lad he has experience?

Why did he go on humphries to day anyway. All the inquiries are due out tomorrow or Monday. Convenient timing

So it looks like there is no experienced bbc exec in charge of news at the moment. Managers instead of journos.

As Helen Bowden, Philip darthy

Agree with Pagwatch. I didn't hear Humphries this morning but saw Entwhistle on Breakfast news, he kept saying how he'd put robust procedures into place since the Saville debacle; clearly they weren't robust enough! I know a DG can't micromanage but given how recently NN had itself been the subject of headlines, it's sheer stupidity to leave new systems to identify possible dodgy ground. Not only was he DG, he was Editor In Chief, maybe that should be a separate role. I hate how all of this is detracting from the real issues.

Re the Nick Davies article, is there any significance to referring to Steve Messham as Leon(he was called X during the enquiry) & juxtaposing Mr B the abuser? Obviously he called Cook, Carpenter.