Exposure, newsnight etc discussion part 2

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Steve has released a statement responding to Lord McAlpines statement.

not to mention that research has shown (i'm sure it was on this thread somewhere) that the vast majority of people convicted for viewing these acts of abuse and/or owning them also actively abuse children themselves or go on to.

I don't doubt that they are interconnected. I think the photos are may be a gateway into acting out abuse for some people. I am not sure that I agree that the abuse takes place to create the photos I think the abuse would probably have happened anyway and the photos are a sick record of it (I could be completely wrong on this I am not an expert).

However, as a question of degree of seriousness possession of an image is less serious than performing an abusive act although both are abusive behaviour.

Well we have Joint Enterprise i am sure that law could be extended to cover abuse and abusive photos.

chaz who says lower classess don't shop in Waitrose?

Anyway there appears to little on the investigation information front other than the debarcle that was newsnight.

you're wrong - it's a business - they make money from recording and selling child abuse to other child abusers. it's not snap shots of what was going on anyway - it's an industry.

swallowed
I am not surprised to hear that although deeply saddened.

Tips

Come off it - it was quite clear where you were going with that post.

it is shocking chaz. i read a blog yesterday detailing all the child abuse pages on facebook and the clear rings of paedophiles operating there. group pages, shared images and always the links to off-site websites where the worst images and videos can be paid for. there are symbols that they put on their pages that allow them to identify each other. social networking like facebook gives them the perfect arena to find each other, share info, materials, even children. it really isn't a case of dodgy men getting off on photos of your child in their knickers - it is men producing video and photographic recordings of real children being raped, abused, being made to have sex with each other etc etc etc.

sorry that's horrible but there you go! it IS horrible and it is organised and out there a couple of clicks away.

I think its good that people post how horrible things really are. That way hopefully they won't be trivialized or explained away.

Now if the BBC would only stop talking about itself and start talking about the real issue again.

I read this article after following a link on Twitter and think it's brilliant, particularly the last para:

While those who allege abuse should be heard, accepting what they say as self-evidently true is not better than dismissing it as childish fantasy. It is just another form of not listening, and relying instead on prejudices and preconceptions.

guardian article

what a nonsense. that sentence says that accepting an abuse victim as telling hte truth is just as bad as dismissing them as a fantasist. really?

so as the person telling about your abuse you would be just as hurt/damaged/offended by someone unquestioningly believing you as you would be by someone who told you you were making it up?

nice frilly way of saying a load of nonsense.

swallowedAFly - if you can't see the logical fallacy of your previous post then there probably is little trying to educate you on the point.

Whether or not one thing equates another has very little to do with how one party in that equation feels one way or the other.

Blimey this thread is becoming well and truly derailed.

The guardian article is a pile of shit, so lets leave it at that. You only have to look at what he has written previously.

Xenia, your opinion on things truly astounds me. If you want to start a discussion on what makes/motivates a peadophile and are they all bad then start a thread in AIBU, that should keep you amused for a few days and me

I see 2 men of the Church have been arrested in connection with historic abuse.

news.sky.com/story/1010823/ex-bishop-held-over-child-sex-abuse-claims

Am i the only one shocked at how many depraved people there seems to be out there.

This BBC shit storm definitley does appear to be some sort of distraction away from the main story and now they chuck in a fuel whistle blower to take the main headlines.

These people at the top must be really worried.

People of all classes engage in these crimes. It is not a class issue.
I seem the only person interested in getting to the heart of it to stop it.

Well do just that then but do it on another thread.

There is one big difference that should be noted for that debate which is very obvious. If you are wealthy and titled you get away with it whereas if you are just one of the people, you go to prison for a relatively short time.

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It on now.

WHy should Xenia go to another thread? She is a lawyer with specialist expertise that may be useful to our understanding.

Simon Danczuk is really going for it. Shame none of the overpaid/over entitled politicians are in the house to hear him

Yet another Boys childrens home named.

I dont want to learn an understanding , thats not what this thread was about.
This was about the Exposure in newsnight and the cover up.

Being a lawyer explains at all now. Thankyou for explaining.

this thread isn't about sympathising with poor old paedophiles and trivialising what they do into phrases like, 'interfering with children'.

John Hemming asking where these children have gone. The figures go up to the 21st march 2011 ssda903.

1-4 year olds gone 430
5-9 year olds gone 350
10-15 year olds gone 650

These are children who have left care and they dont know whats happened to them. John Hemming asked.....Have they been trafficked,abducted, or run away on the streets?

How bad can this get? How bad are childrens services today.

The OP's (not your) thread title is 'Exposure, newsnight etc discussion part 2'.

Yep, i can read. Which implies that it is not titled 'poor misunderstood paedophiles, how can we understand them?' 2 completely different issues.

those figures are since when mrcrumps - i know they're up to march 2011 but since when? shocking indeed

I didnt catch that bit but it wasnt a huge period of time. It was in the context of whats happening now.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/9675861/Sir-Cyril-Smith-sexually-abused-boys-MP-tells-Commons.html